Slow start to cue delivery question.

[j6uk]

It's a pity you can't put a vid up. It's hard to visualise what you are saying. I'm not sure what hitting from the elbow means.

i am planning a few at some point, but for now we could work this out together just for you. what do you think it means? hitting from the elbow

[cyberheater]

I have the hand open with all fingers pointing down angled to the rear with the thumb doing the same. The same way you may hold a 1" thick book by the spine to carry it.

That's how I have my grip these days. I find I cue a lot straighter with it and it stops me gripping too hard.
Also, the book spine gripping analogy is awesome. I'm going to have to borrow that off you.

[j6uk]

So index finger and thumb supporting and guiding the cue in a ring around the butt with the remaining fingers off of the butt?

I have the hand open with all fingers pointing down angled to the rear with the thumb doing the same. The same way you may hold a 1" thick book by the spine to carry it.

i go for a closed hand, gently wrapping all the fingers around the cue, and we could say the cue is lying in the bed of the hand. as you say with the momentum being at thumb and first finger/the eye of the hand
i quite like yours and if im not mistaken is it a bit flicky? can you describe how it plays?

[Stupree]

i go for a closed hand, gently wrapping all the fingers around the cue, and we could say the cue is lying in the bed of the hand. as you say with the momentum being at thumb and first finger/the eye of the hand
i quite like yours and if im not mistaken is it a bit flicky? can you describe how it plays?

I probably didn't make clear the cue sits tucked up in to the Thenar (fleshy bit between the thumb and index finger) but is unsupported underneath. Does this still sound flicky?

It purpose is solely to keep the cue online and as close as possible to its horizontal plane. This configuration results in the first three inches of cue travel being fairly slow as the grip closes giving me the gradual acceleration

[cyberheater]

i am planning a few at some point, but for now we could work this out together just for you. what do you think it means? hitting from the elbow

Is there no shoulder movement at all. Sort of like how Judd Trump cues?

[Stupree]

I have the hand open with all fingers pointing down angled to the rear with the thumb doing the same. The same way you may hold a 1" thick book by the spine to carry it.

That's how I have my grip these days. I find I cue a lot straighter with it and it stops me gripping too hard.
Also, the book spine gripping analogy is awesome. I'm going to have to borrow that off you.

This grip is configuration really helps to keep the cue travelling on its intended line and prevents tension and movement. Has it had an impact on the speed of your cue action?

[j6uk]

I probably didn't make clear the cue sits tucked up in to the Thenar (fleshy bit between the thumb and index finger) but is unsupported underneath. Does this still sound flicky?

It purpose is solely to keep the cue online and as close as possible to its horizontal plane. This configuration results in the first three inches of cue travel being fairly slow as the grip closes giving me the gradual acceleration

yes as you close the hand on the follow through it sounds like it could be flicky. so on the backswing and say half way through the follow through the cue is unsupported by the back 3 or 4 fingers?

[j6uk]

This grip is configuration really helps to keep the cue travelling on its intended line and prevents tension and movement. Has it had an impact on the speed of your cue action?

tel will like this question: any chance of a vid? am i right in thinking its barrows like?

[Stupree]

yes as you close the hand on the follow through it sounds like it could be flicky. so on the backswing and say half way through the follow through the cue is unsupported by the back 3 or 4 fingers?

All the support for the butt of the cue come from the area of the palm directly beneath the base of the fingers (head of the metacarpus) and the first section of the thumb.

You've really got me questioning this flicky business as I just don't get a sense of it at all

[cyberheater]

This grip is configuration really helps to keep the cue travelling on its intended line and prevents tension and movement. Has it had an impact on the speed of your cue action?

I've not noticed a huge difference really although I tend to avoid power shots as much as possible as I lack the skill and accuracy to be effective with them.

The huge benefit to me in terms of straight cue delivery more then makes up for it.

[j6uk]

All the support for the butt of the cue come from the area of the palm directly beneath the base of the fingers (head of the metacarpus) and the first section of the thumb.

You've really got me questioning this flicky business as I just don't get a sense of it at all

would i know this as being the web of the hand? and your index finger is not around the cue?
well the fiicky part is when you close the hand to time the shot on the follow through. if all your fingers are off the butt then as you come through and the hand is closing theres a lot of fingers moving to close the hand on completing the shot.. it needs good control but its not a bad thing, i use a flick in my action from time to time but its more wristy

[j6uk]

im being told off so bbl

[Stupree]

tel will like this question: any chance of a vid? am i right in thinking its barrows like?

I really do have plans to do a video on grip amongst others when time allows. If I get a chance to take some footage of this whilst I am at the table I will do.

As for it being Barrow-like it may be similar indeed, I haven't looked at his for a while and if it is it wasn't intentionally so.

[Stupree]

I've not noticed a huge difference really although I tend to avoid power shots as much as possible as I lack the skill and accuracy to be effective with them.

The huge benefit to me in terms of straight cue delivery more then makes up for it.

Sounds like a good approach to me and as your experience changes of playing shots with pace you will gain more belief and confidence in playing them :snooker:

[Stupree]

would i know this as being the web of the hand? and your index finger is not around the cue?
well the fiicky part is when you close the hand to time the shot on the follow through. if all your fingers are off the butt then as you come through and the hand is closing theres a lot of fingers moving to close the hand on completing the shot.. it needs good control but its not a bad thing, i use a flick in my action from time to time but its more wristy

I would be more comfortable with the description of a surge rather than a flick as the fingers and thumb take their place for the delivery.

Our ideas are often aligned J6UK once we sort through our difference in wording