Slow start to cue delivery question.

[itsnoteasy]

This is what's so frustrating with you, instead of playing silly games, why not just help, you like to dish it out, but can't seem to take it without getting very very defensive, if you don't want to (or can't )explain it fair enough, we will leave it at that, but if you want to put your good head on and give me some advice it is always appreciated, but do it so I can understand it, I can't be arsed with half a story or some kind of riddle, I don't have the time for it(although sometimes they are very funny) I am trying to catch up with players who have been playing for thirty years, I have just about been playing for two, so I need very clear instructions, my first is in cake but not in jelly, what am I,? Riddles are no good to me.
You don't have to belittle others opinions, even if they are wrong, you are good enough on here to put forward reasoned arguments as to why you disagree, and explain the right way, without any silly stuff.

[j6uk]

you sure are good in a gang, its not the first time ive been ganged up on..
we've got previous. i can't think how many times you've said thanks to me on here for the stuff ive said and help ive given you. and now cus ive had a few scraps with others you've decided to get your little pecker out and try and stick it in

[Stupree]

[cyberheater]

Guys can we not do this. We are a friendly helpful community.

And I know I've only been here on the site 5 mins but I've found j6uk to be a open and helpful person. Let's stop the fighting.

[Stupree]

Guys can we not do this. We are a friendly helpful community.

And I know I've only been here on the site 5 mins but I've found j6uk to be a open and helpful person. Let's stop the fighting.

Well said mate! This will happen periodically with so many words written and thoughts shared, little storms will brew and then blow themselves out just as this one has. :snooker:

[itsnoteasy]

you sure are good in a gang, its not the first time ive been ganged up on..
we've got previous. i can't think how many times you've said thanks to me on here for the stuff ive said and help ive given you. and now cus ive had a few scraps with others you've decided to get your little pecker out and try and stick it in

What's happened to your banter now fella, that soon went ,pressure getting to you, I don't know what gang your on about, another figment of your imagination, maybe you could tell me who's gang I'm in, as I would like to know myself, just to let you know I have no idea who your arguing with on here and couldn't give a monkeys, but if you but in and deliberately try and belittle me I will call you out every time,you never answer a direct question and I have my suspicions you can't and as per usual you have gone all defensive, dish it out but can't take, feckin keyboard warrior, wind your neck in, or keep posting quotes from Ronnie as your own either way I'm not interested, but best of luck in whatever it is your trying to achieve here just leave me out of it.

[tedisbill]

So, to summarise, what have we learned about the slow start to cue delivery?

[DeanH]

So, to summarise, what have we learned about the slow start to cue delivery?

sorry, no idea?

[thelongbomber]

so marti don't have a grip as such? i mean its not something he or any other pro has worked on or thinks about? and their all kinda doing what you said above?

Without hearing from Martin directly, I cannot claim that ALL pros are gripping without thinking, but I can BET that they DON'T THINK about it much at all (unless it fails and then they look at it like Ronnie does every once in a while). Based on my own knowledge of the game, I will GUESS that Martin accelerates the cue in this specific way based on his though process and eye movement. I will try and find some video and evaluate Martin further to see whats going on.

BUT let's look at this differently. Let's say someoene asked you to juggle 3 balls. In the beginning, you have to think consciously about everything. As a first time juggler, it's difficult, and if something is even slightly off balance, you will fail to juggle all 3 balls. When you first learn to juggle, you have to THINK about everything including your hand, elbow, arm, etc. Once you become good at juggling, you don't have to THINK consciouly anymore. In cue sports, we call this MUSCLE MEMORY.

As defined in Wikipedia: Muscle memory has been used synonymously with motor learning, which is a form of procedural memory that involves consolidating a specific motor task into memory through repetition. When a movement is repeated over time, a long-term muscle memory is created for that task, eventually allowing it to be performed without conscious effort. This process decreases the need for attention and creates maximum efficiency within the motor and memory systems. Examples of muscle memory are found in many everyday activities that become automatic and improve with practice, such as riding a bicycle, typing on a keyboard, typing in a PIN, playing a melody or phrase on a musical instrument, martial arts,[1] or performing different algorithms for a Rubik's Cube.

So in the beginning, you have to PROGRAM your grip so that it grips in the recommended way (opening gradually on the backswing, gripping with the front fingers, locking the wrist as much as you can, etc). There IS a recommended gripping pattern - not too tight, not too lose - that has been found to be the most optimal way to grip a cue based on human bio-mechanics. You can look that up.

BUT once you play the game long enough, you generally shouldn't think about the grip anymore. If you are an accomplished player, and are STILL working the grip consciously on shots, then you haven't graduated beyond that level of thinking.

[cyberheater]

So, to summarise, what have we learned about the slow start to cue delivery?

We have learnt not to start a thread about slow start to cue delivery

[j6uk]

What's happened to your banter now fella, that soon went ,pressure getting to you, I don't know what gang your on about, another figment of your imagination, maybe you could tell me who's gang I'm in, as I would like to know myself, just to let you know I have no idea who your arguing with on here and couldn't give a monkeys, but if you but in and deliberately try and belittle me I will call you out every time,you never answer a direct question and I have my suspicions you can't and as per usual you have gone all defensive, dish it out but can't take, feckin keyboard warrior, wind your neck in, or keep posting quotes from Ronnie as your own either way I'm not interested, but best of luck in whatever it is your trying to achieve here just leave me out of it.

what exactly would you like to so called call me out about?

[Stupree]

Slow start to cue delivery question.

First rule of Cue Delivery Club, don't talk about Cue Delivery Club

If building an action from scratch a slow start and gradual acceleration would be my recommendation. Many players are not building or wanting to build an action from scratch so I would never force it where it doesn't belong or isn't wanted. This can be a red herring as if your set up is misaligned you can have a gradual acceleration that is mistimed and inefficient which will not get the desired results. Just as J6UK was referring to

It is great to admire professionals' action and approach to the game but to try and amalgamate elements from several individuals professional's game can be harmful. I would recommend choosing one pro who's shots and manner around the table chimes with you and enjoy watching and learning from them bringing elements of their technique to your game.

[itsnoteasy]

what exactly would you like to so called call me out about?

Well since you asked here are some things I would like to know
Ages ago you said if Terry posted up a video you would do the same, what happened to that
A while back you said you were inventing something to help people cue straight down the pipe(your words) and it would be unveiled when the China open was on, what happened to that.
Exactly what standard did you play at, when you went to the qualifiers in Blackpool how far did you get.
Who were the players you gave a good workout to.
Why don't you put up a video of you clearing the colours five times round that shouldn't take you long, maybe next time your down the club coaching the young lads they could film it for you.
Why after all the coaching you had do you play with a classic stand up style(your words) didn't any of these coaches put you over the cue, or teach you the four contact points,or did you just ignore them, but still paid for their advice.
Who originally told you the hit from the elbow mantra, or did you just lift it from the internet and use it as your own.
Lastly what have you won, or come close to winning, I won't ask your name as I don't believe you have to let people know, everyone is entitled to what ever privacy they want, and any of these questions that you think may give your identity away please don't answer, or you can pm me the answers you have my word it will remain private.
I genuinely mean you no ill, but I do not appreciate the way you talk to me sometimes, and if we were face to face you wouldn't get away with it, so please just a bit of courtesy, i do know things can be taken the wrong way on here sometimes, that's all part of the fun, but if you dish it out learn to take it.I don't mind you telling me I'm talking pish, as I probably am most of the time, but don't be snidey about it, explain where I have gone wrong, then at least we can have a discussion about it, and then both agree I'm right

[itsnoteasy]

First rule of Cue Delivery Club, don't talk about Cue Delivery Club

If building an action from scratch a slow start and gradual acceleration would be my recommendation. Many players are not building or wanting to build an action from scratch so I would never force it where it doesn't belong or isn't wanted. This can be a red herring as if your set up is misaligned you can have a gradual acceleration that is mistimed and inefficient which will not get the desired results. Just as J6UK was referring to

It is great to admire professionals' action and approach to the game but to try and amalgamate elements from several individuals professional's game can be harmful. I would recommend choosing one pro who's shots and manner around the table chimes with you and enjoy watching and learning from them bringing elements of their technique to your game.

Could you explain that to me a bit more Stupree , I don't understand the part about your set up being misaligned , does this mean off balance , or the cue not online or something like that .
Also if someone came to you and their cue action was a stabby quick one, do you try and work with what they have or mould it into a more normal cue action(not the right term I know as everyone's normal is a bit different bit I hope you know what I mean) it's very interesting to me as you could be onto something here , as I went for coaching very early so didn't have any preconceptions of what was right or wrong so was more than willing to build from scratch as you said.

[j6uk]

Well since you asked here are some things I would like to know
Ages ago you said if Terry posted up a video you would do the same, what happened to that
i am planning to do some vids once i start playing again
A while back you said you were inventing something to help people cue straight down the pipe(your words) and it would be unveiled when the China open was on, what happened to that.
ive had issues with production plus i as yet only have a design patent
Exactly what standard did you play at, when you went to the qualifiers in Blackpool how far did you get.
pro-ams and festivals never went to blackpool
Who were the players you gave a good workout to.
many some you may know
Why don't you put up a video of you clearing the colours five times round that shouldn't take you long, maybe next time your down the club coaching the young lads they could film it for you.
im not much of a show off if i was i may of been better
Why after all the coaching you had do you play with a classic stand up style(your words) didn't any of these coaches put you over the cue, or teach you the four contact points,or did you just ignore them, but still paid for their advice.
i sarted doing that because of back problems
Who originally told you the hit from the elbow mantra, or did you just lift it from the internet and use it as your own.
henry west
Lastly what have you won, or come close to winning, I won't ask your name as I don't believe you have to let people know, everyone is entitled to what ever privacy they want, and any of these questions that you think may give your identity away please don't answer, or you can pm me the answers you have my word it will remain private.
a hand full of handy caps and a handful in europe
I genuinely mean you no ill, but I do not appreciate the way you talk to me sometimes, and if we were face to face you wouldn't get away with it, so please just a bit of courtesy, i do know things can be taken the wrong way on here sometimes, that's all part of the fun, but if you dish it out learn to take it.I don't mind you telling me I'm talking pish, as I probably am most of the time, but don't be snidey about it, explain where I have gone wrong, then at least we can have a discussion about it, and then both agree I'm right

i'm a little rough at times but i hope it all evens itself out in other ways. oh and i appreciate a slap around chops now and then, so thanks for that