cue ball and object ball players

[Byrom]

This picture sums up my state of mind now - I promised myself I would not read another sighting thread after thinking about it actually messed my game up - but here I am again.

One question -

What day is it?

[cyberheater]

I visited Terry Griffiths in Wales and he has software that can study the techniques of players being coached. He has videos of the top players playing certain shots to compare cue actions. It was here that I saw Hendry in slow motion looking at the cueball.

After watching a lot of youtube vids of Hendry. He definitely looks momentarily at the cue ball on the strike and then his eyes flicks off to the object ball. Very strange.

[itsnoteasy]

Ok CoachGavin, thanks, I have tried to find him looking at the cue ball but I can't even find one that's close.
LB it's a physical fact the two contact points can not be in mid air, on a thin cut the cue may be pointing into thin air, the middle of the white as you look down the line of aim may be looking into thin air, but the two contact points have to overlap otherwise that's a miss.
Les no wonder Vmax gave up with you, did Terry tell you to play like this, did Cliff tell you to play like this, has Floyd told you to play like this, I can tell you Chris Small, doesn't tell people to play like this, can you see a pattern emerging? Of course what do any of them know, they're not scratching around trying to make a ten break, but that doesn't prove anything does it, OR DOES IT?

[lesedwards]

Ok CoachGavin, thanks, I have tried to find him looking at the cue ball but I can't even find one that's close.
LB it's a physical fact the two contact points can not be in mid air, on a thin cut the cue may be pointing into thin air, the middle of the white as you look down the line of aim may be looking into thin air, but the two contact points have to overlap otherwise that's a miss.
Les no wonder Vmax gave up with you, did Terry tell you to play like this, did Cliff tell you to play like this, has Floyd told you to play like this, I can tell you Chris Small, doesn't tell people to play like this, can you see a pattern emerging? Of course what do any of them know, they're not scratching around trying to make a ten break, but that doesn't prove anything does it, OR DOES IT?

No they did not but everyone has to find what works and like I said if I move my eyes from the GB/OB at impact to the CB it keeps me from moving my eyes to the pocket and steering the cue along with following through. I have been working on this for two weeks when I have time and I can see some improvements on both potting and positional. I really have not played any matches other then one game against my son where I spot him 25, in that game game I ran out on the colours and only the black was on its spot.

[lesedwards]

No they did not but everyone has to find what works and like I said if I move my eyes from the GB/OB at impact to the CB it keeps me from moving my eyes to the pocket and steering the cue along with following through. I have been working on this for two weeks when I have time and I can see some improvements on both potting and positional. I really have not played any matches other then one game against my son where I spot him 25, in that game game I ran out on the colours and only the black was on its spot.

Further to my note you have to go with what works, I have had guys come to me and say I keep hitting the golf ball off the heel of my driver. I have taken them to the range and got them to align the ball off the toe of the driver and wow it worked now they are hitting it right down the Center or a guy who is hitting pull hooks where I get hem to open the club at address which looks funny but when the club meets the ball it is actually square to the target. Now these are not something I would do if I was working with a 10 year old that was learning the game. I would start with grip, stance, swing etc. But when a 50 year old comes to me he just wants something that will work now. I have the same understanding with Snooker. If I was 10 years old going to see Terry he would work with all the basics of the game but like Cliff said when your at my age you have to work with what you got.

[thelongbomber]

LB it's a physical fact the two contact points can not be in mid air, on a thin cut the cue may be pointing into thin air, the middle of the white as you look down the line of aim may be looking into thin air, but the two contact points have to overlap otherwise that's a miss.

NO. That's only a fact to you.

What you call "thin air" , I call seeing into the future. I'm a visionary. The future is where the cue ball will be, so maybe in your mind, you see nothing. In my mind, I see Casper the friendly ghost ball.



So by your definition, on all thin cuts, the method I suggest can't be used because you need to see down the cue to something? I'm not saying that your eyes can't move except to look straight. That really doesn't make any sense. Even I don't look down the cue and tip into nothing. I look at my imaginary ghost ball contacting the real object ball. If you want to say that I'm looking at the contact point, then fine, go ahead. That's all. I see it, I feel it and the rest is past experience and judgement.

[golferson123]

I used to take golf lessons of a pro,he had just come back from leadbetters academy in florida and was full of it! all I wanted was to be in the right place at the top so the club was set.the rest then was up to me.he wants me to feel that my feet have grown tentacles and are sinking into the ground and I must feel at one with the bat,wtf get a grip! as mo norman said the idea is to hit this little ball of this big ball, that's all. sorry lads but this thread is getting silly.beginners at this game don't need this it will screw with your mind,i have seen many good players go this way.

[CoachGavin]

cue ball and object ball players

just to clear up a few points above. When I say cue ball I don't mean a player looks at the cue ball 2 seconds before the delivery. I mean as the tip touches the cue ball the eyes are on the cue ball. I have a couple of players at my club who play like this and their potting is good enough that I would not be keen to change them. The point is that there is no right or wrong way if the balls go in. I have always looked at the object ball and find looking at the cue ball on delivery difficult and wouldn't suit me. However that doesn't mean everyone should play like me. Do what suits you. my point on steering was that if you have a thin cut and look at the object ball on cue delivery you may steer the cue ball thicker if you don't focus entirely on the contact point and let your eyes wander. However if you are looking at the cue ball on a thin cut your eyes are less likely to wander and lead to steering. I hope that's a bit clearer. apologies for any confusion before.

[tedisbill]

This thread is brilliant!

I want to see all the people trying to improve during their next session down the club. They're not going to know whether they're coming or going lol!!!

Then they look at the cue ball, pot three balls successively, and are absolutely convinced it works. That's the magic secret! "I'm not steering the ball anymore".

Then the next time they play, they miss a couple, "I know, I'll try looking at the object ball again".

Hilarious.

[j6uk]

cris henrys playing battle sh1ts with your mind and at some point you just gotta say enough!

[GeordieDS]

No wonder this game is so hard with all the overthinking

[CoachGavin]

cue ball and object ball players

don't think just play lol

[Redphex]

a few years ago, mark williams tweeted re ken doherty mentioning on tv that looking at the ob was imperative.

mjw disagreed, wrote he preferred the cb.

i also had tuition by chris henry and was 'diagnosed' as cb player. after tying this and that i settled on having the eyes on the line of aim. depending on the shot nearer to ob or cb.

it's all personal preference.

[itsnoteasy]

NO. That's only a fact to you.

What you call "thin air" , I call seeing into the future. I'm a visionary. The future is where the cue ball will be, so maybe in your mind, you see nothing. In my mind, I see Casper the friendly ghost ball.



So by your definition, on all thin cuts, the method I suggest can't be used because you need to see down the cue to something? I'm not saying that your eyes can't move except to look straight. That really doesn't make any sense. Even I don't look down the cue and tip into nothing. I look at my imaginary ghost ball contacting the real object ball. If you want to say that I'm looking at the contact point, then fine, go ahead. That's all. I see it, I feel it and the rest is past experience and judgement.

Your mistaking what I'm saying, you can imagine all you like , but the CONTACT POINT can not be in thin air as it's two physical touching points one on the cue ball one on the object ball, on a thin cut most of your ghost ball or line of aim,will not be touching anything, but the tiniest part where the two balls physically touch can't be in thin air, otherwise that's what you'll hit, thin air, so I'm not on about anything else here bar the exact contact points between the two balls which was said to be in thin air.
Looking at the ghost ball is a way of sending the white down the line of aim, it always has been, Jack Karnehm said this is a game of cueing down the line not potting, which I'm guessing is basically what you are saying.

[itsnoteasy]

After watching a lot of youtube vids of Hendry. He definitely looks momentarily at the cue ball on the strike and then his eyes flicks off to the object ball. Very strange.

Post some up please Cyberheater, cheers.