knocking a break in with an i phone one yer head and a lump o wood worth 20 quid?

[j6uk]

no doubt tel can and could play by some of the quality of his shots in the canadians, and yes the last few pages has done wobbly.
thing is you get a few good players together and someone spots a 1/2 ball there is no questioning it because we all know what a half ball is, we've all got the map in our memory cabinet from those thousands of hours of play, study and graft.
i wanna be on the best snooker forum in the world so don't kid me and lets move on

[Terry Davidson]

no doubt tel can and could play by some of the quality of his shots in the canadians, and yes the last few pages has done wobbly.
thing is you get a few good players together and someone spots a 1/2 ball there is no questioning it because we all know what a half ball is, we've all got the map in our memory cabinet from those thousands of hours of play, study and graft.
i wanna be on the best snooker forum in the world so don't kid me and lets move on

Maybe that's my problem, I don't recognize a 1/2-ball pot during a frame automatically but I suppose all the rest of you do. My bad.

That Trump video is amazing to me. On the few shots where they showed his whole body I noticed his elbow didn't drop at all on those power shots. I used to have better cue power but nowhere near what Trump has and apparently nowhere near pottr either.

However, I think we should have a standard age balancer. Don't know how old pottr is but Trump had to give me one point for each year I'm older then it would work out to a 44 point start. I like that idea.

Terry

[vmax4steve]

I'm pretty sure, he just simply played ****

There is video you can check on youtube pottr, the evidence is there. There are reasons that you play crap and in this case it was spotted and rectified.

[Terry Davidson]

The most important thing to power shots... Wait for it...

IS THE GRIP!

I agree with that even though on the Trump video there are a few shots where his cue goes right up in the air but obviously he tightens the grip well after he hits the cueball which is the right way to do it and I wish I could be consistent in that.

Also, as a result of this discussion I thought I would have a look at my old scrapbook and there were some action photos in there taken for a newspaper article and the one thing I noticed is when I was playing much better in my younger days my stance was much wider but more importantly my elbow was slightly inside the line of the cue (similar to Higgins and Hendry). These days I have noticed my elbow hangs out around 2" or so and I cue right-to-left a lot, especially on power shots (which is probably why I don't take a lot of them on).

So I went down last night and set up the mirror and widened my stance by about 6" and put the cue a little more towards the tip of my fingers by giving the grip more wrist cock and everything lined up just like the old days. So I just had to try it out with long blues and I snapped in 10 out of 10 with deep screw (for me) back to the baulkline. Now I haven't been able to do that with any accuracy in quite awhile now.

When you play well in your younger days and then give the game up completely for a long time and then come back you experiment with a lot of things. When I went to Nic Barrow in 2007 he picked out TWELVE different flaws in my cue action and that was the result of 2 years experimentation which was getting me nowhere. Even after 7 years of trying to resolve those flaws I'm still working on them.

So for all of those players who gave the game up for awhile and then came back my suggestion would be to see a good coach and re-learn the ideal basics before you start experimenting with everything because you can really screw yourself up and do your head in.

Terry

[Terry Davidson]

I've heard some rumblings of a former Thorburn and Thorne practice partner... I play in the same league as he used to and actually have a singles trophy with his name on in my home as it goes... I will take a pic.

He must have been pretty good from the stories I've heard... See my 'tales of Terry' thread.

Not good enough for the all time highest break in that league though... A lad who looks like me sewn that up a few years back

I would love to get a picture of the trophy if you can post it please. (and quit bragging!)

Terry

[pottr]

I'm 30 Terry... Ugh... Feel old saying that...

Vmax, I agree. It was a touch tongue in cheek pal.

[Terry Davidson]

There is video you can check on youtube pottr, the evidence is there. There are reasons that you play crap and in this case it was spotted and rectified.

Which video are you referring to?

Terry

[Terry Davidson]

I'm not saying that this technique should be a given, and you know it, you're just trying anything you can to shoot me down about this.
I'm saying that for people like yourself who have trouble with cue power due to chucking the shoulder into the shot this technique could be a cure.

Steve Davis is a pefect example, for when he lost to Knowles 10-1 in the WSC in '82 his cue arm had encroached to slightly forward of the vertical. In '83 when he came back and won the title his cue arm had moved back to slightly behind the vertical with a more bent cue arm and slightly less cue over his thumb.

This is the sort of mucking about that a tall man like Davis has to go through when using a standard length cue. At his best his cue arm was vertical at address but keeping it like that meant having to bend his bridge arm and have less cue over his thumb to sight the shot.
When the pressure was on against Knowles the cue crept forward for better sighting but that meant the shoulder dropped before the stroke which is what happens with you.
The Hawkins style eliminates this, maybe that's why he plays like that himself, who knows, but for a tall man to play like this means a long enough cue.

I think you're reluctant to try a longer cue because it just might work and then you would look to be wrong. :chargrined:

Oddly, I've tried a 60" cue as an experiment but that particular experiment didn't work for me.

I'm not trying to 'shoot you down' at all, I just disagree with some of your theories. Surely that's allowed?

Terry

[j6uk]

Maybe that's my problem, I don't recognize a 1/2-ball pot during a frame automatically but I suppose all the rest of you do. My bad.

Terry

you know max x3 but you don't know a 1/2 ball black when you see one, amazing. i'm sure you can appreciate how ridiculous that sounds..
i guess you wanted to straightish on then black the clip off the reds into baulk for safe. each to there own

[Terry Davidson]

I'm 30 Terry... Ugh... Feel old saying that...

Vmax, I agree. It was a touch tongue in cheek pal.

OK, if we ever play you have to give me a 39 point start

From the sounds of things I'll probably need it.

Terry

[Terry Davidson]

you know max x3 but you don't know a 1/2 ball black when you see one, amazing. i'm sure you can appreciate how ridiculous that sounds..
i guess you wanted to straightish on then black the clip off the reds into baulk for safe. each to there own

Why are you so fixated on my perfect games?

A player should recognize the POTTING ANGLES whatever they might be and wherever they might be. I guess you're the exception but I have a difficult time recognizing whether a particular pot in the middle of the table is a 1/2-ball or maybe a 15/32nds angle.

And NO, I don't appreciate how ridiculous that sounds as I just cannot fathom the exact potting angles in fractions, it would do my head in and I never think about it because if you think it's an exact 1/2-ball and you sight to the edge of the object ball and it's really 15/32nds or 17/32nds you'll miss the pot. Do you really think you are able to determine an exact 1/2-ball cut anywhere on the table?

The shot you've talked about over and over was probably a 14/32nds cut (or 7/16ths take your pick) so I didn't recognize it as a pure 1/2-ball and if you did from just seeing it from that one camera angle then you're dreaming.

Terry

[Terry Davidson]

you know max x3 but you don't know a 1/2 ball black when you see one, amazing. i'm sure you can appreciate how ridiculous that sounds..
i guess you wanted to straightish on then black the clip off the reds into baulk for safe. each to there own

No, I tried to play the cueball higher on the black and in fact was trying to get the cueball level with the black so I could break the pack with a solid hit, but I just mis-hit the red and didn't get high enough. I was thinking the right way but just didn't execute properly on the red before the black, that's all. I was then forced to play the shot I did or else take on a difficult pot/break the pack shot which in this instance I passed on because I didn't have the faith I needed in my cueing at that time.

Will you please go find another person to harass and leave me alone. I was there, I played the shot I felt was right and I won the match and that's what counts. Your hindsight is always 20/20 but you weren't there and playing. In fact no one on here has ever seen you play any shot ever but you're always sitting in the bushes sniping at us all and hiding behind your anonymous avatar. You always ask everyone to put up videos or prove their statements like my 147s or Les' being a golf pro and you go on and on about all your experience but none of us has ever seen anything that proves that, have we?

Put up a video to show us all your 'proper' way to play snooker and let us know your real name so we can google your (I'm sure from how you talk) amazing record in matches. Put up or shut up please and thank you

Terry

[Kieran m]

No, I tried to play the cueball higher on the black and in fact was trying to get the cueball level with the black so I could break the pack with a solid hit, but I just mis-hit the red and didn't get high enough. I was thinking the right way but just didn't execute properly on the red before the black, that's all. I was then forced to play the shot I did or else take on a difficult pot/break the pack shot which in this instance I passed on because I didn't have the faith I needed in my cueing at that time.

Will you please go find another person to harass and leave me alone. I was there, I played the shot I felt was right and I won the match and that's what counts. Your hindsight is always 20/20 but you weren't there and playing. In fact no one on here has ever seen you play any shot ever but you're always sitting in the bushes sniping at us all and hiding behind your anonymous avatar. You always ask everyone to put up videos or prove their statements like my 147s or Les' being a golf pro and you go on and on about all your experience but none of us has ever seen anything that proves that, have we?

Put up a video to show us all your 'proper' way to play snooker and let us know your real name so we can google your (I'm sure from how you talk) amazing record in matches. Put up or shut up please and thank you

Terry

Agree totally with this...

[j6uk]

Will you please go find another person to harass and leave me alone. I was there, I played the shot I felt was right and I won the match and that's what counts. Your hindsight is always 20/20 but you weren't there and playing. In fact no one on here has ever seen you play any shot ever but you're always sitting in the bushes sniping at us all and hiding behind your anonymous avatar. You always ask everyone to put up videos or prove their statements like my 147s or Les' being a golf pro and you go on and on about all your experience but none of us has ever seen anything that proves that, have we?

Put up a video to show us all your 'proper' way to play snooker and let us know your real name so we can google your (I'm sure from how you talk) amazing record in matches. Put up or shut up please and thank you

Terry

we've had are dingdongs tel but i'm not on here to harass you or snipe at anyone but if something don't add up i'll say so. i think if you look at my history ive been here to help and its a disgrace for you to suggest such a thing.
and anyone who knows anything about snooker would know my standard by what i write here. i'm not looking for help so no vid needed. ive only suggested vids from players who were struggling and asking for help

[j6uk]

Why are you so fixated on my perfect games?

A player should recognize the POTTING ANGLES whatever they might be and wherever they might be. I guess you're the exception but I have a difficult time recognizing whether a particular pot in the middle of the table is a 1/2-ball or maybe a 15/32nds angle.

And NO, I don't appreciate how ridiculous that sounds as I just cannot fathom the exact potting angles in fractions, it would do my head in and I never think about it because if you think it's an exact 1/2-ball and you sight to the edge of the object ball and it's really 15/32nds or 17/32nds you'll miss the pot. Do you really think you are able to determine an exact 1/2-ball cut anywhere on the table?

The shot you've talked about over and over was probably a 14/32nds cut (or 7/16ths take your pick) so I didn't recognize it as a pure 1/2-ball and if you did from just seeing it from that one camera angle then you're dreaming.

Terry

around the black a player whos played to the 3maxs level has no problems around the black, at all, even in there 70's, ive played'm!!.. now! am i allowed to say that?! is that too much? is there a player who knows something who can agree with this?