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  • Yes,I like j6 and he knows I do!but he does my head in with his cockney saying! I sometimes get them but I is a simple northern lad. Might try some jellied eels and see if that helps.

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    • theres been a few pages about me i see, now i know how les feels. some positives too and thats always good, i look at the rest a bit latter.. anyway i managed to get on the table in between a couple of lads playing and one of them kindly snapped a little vid of me doing that pink. i took two shots 'i didn't go nuts, just cued it' but on both i cued the white higher then i needed to, i was hitting 6 & 7 when i should of gone 5 to get into them. on looking back at tels situation there weren't that little entry gap but there still was that red that had its nose out. i'll have another look at it when i start playing again
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      Last edited by j6uk; 13 July 2014, 12:04 PM.

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      • That's very nice cueing. I thought you meant screw into the pack lol, I didn't even see that shot.
        Last edited by itsnoteasy; 4 July 2014, 05:12 PM.
        This is how you play darts ,MVG two nines in the same match!
        https://youtu.be/yqTGtwOpHu8

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        • He did mean screwing into the pack, which he seems to have ignored lol
          Edit: maybe he actually meant coming off the side cushion, that's the problem when peeps don't fully explain the shot lol
          Last edited by jrc750; 4 July 2014, 05:20 PM.

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          • I had always thought TD had the option to go across to the cushion and back into the pack and be on the open red to the left corner, of course there is always the danger if going into them a tad soft and getting bogged in the pack. so percentages, percentages.
            Up the TSF! :snooker:

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            • j6uk:

              That one loose red was up closer to the pink spot, would only pot to the yellow side top pocket plus would have been in the way had I managed to come at the pack from the side cushion and the cueball was actually situated better as it was much closer to the black for a hand-on-the-table shot. The other problem was the middle bags on these tables will throw balls out and of course the table was a bit slower than the one you used.

              Not saying I couldn't have tried the shot but I would have needed a lot of power and top spin. If you look at the video again you will see if the pink is re-spotted it would have blocked the one loose red but I'll agree I could have tried the shot but I wouldn't have called it a 'bread & butter' shot as I would have had to miss the loose red and hit the pack low.

              The owner of this club had a woodworker copy the old rails (they're older B&W tables) and they had a hell of a problem with all the pockets chucking out any hard shot. In fact Alain Robidoux refused to come back to the Canadians because of those pockets. They tried to fix the corners but the middles are still pretty bad.

              But still, you tried the shot twice and missed the pack, most likely due to the power required. I also noticed you were able to draw the cue back behind the rail for a longer backswing, well done! I'll have to try that one.

              Now I'm going down to try the suggestion from vmax. I have a 60" pool cue here and I'm going to see what happens when I address behind the vertical with my forearm. If it helps to keep my elbow up it might be a winner.

              Terry
              Terry Davidson
              IBSF Master Coach & Examiner

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              • Originally Posted by Terry Davidson View Post
                j6uk:

                That one loose red was up closer to the pink spot
                , would only pot to the yellow side top pocket plus would have been in the way had I managed to come at the pack from the side cushion and the cueball was actually situated better as it was much closer to the black for a hand-on-the-table shot. The other problem was the middle bags on these tables will throw balls out and of course the table was a bit slower than the one you used.

                Not saying I couldn't have tried the shot but I would have needed a lot of power and top spin. If you look at the video again you will see if the pink is re-spotted it would have blocked the one loose red but I'll agree I could have tried the shot but I wouldn't have called it a 'bread & butter' shot as I would have had to miss the loose red and hit the pack low.

                The owner of this club had a woodworker copy the old rails (they're older B&W tables) and they had a hell of a problem with all the pockets chucking out any hard shot. In fact Alain Robidoux refused to come back to the Canadians because of those pockets. They tried to fix the corners but the middles are still pretty bad.

                But still, you tried the shot twice and missed the pack, most likely due to the power required. I also noticed you were able to draw the cue back behind the rail for a longer backswing, well done! I'll have to try that one.

                Now I'm going down to try the suggestion from vmax. I have a 60" pool cue here and I'm going to see what happens when I address behind the vertical with my forearm. If it helps to keep my elbow up it might be a winner.

                Terry
                yeah your right that red was up along side the pink spot, but it still went in the corner. i missed not cus of power 'no power there really just cueing' first i went 7 then 6 on the white. i would have been all over those red on 5. anyway i played it firm enough both times to come off two cushions and get on that outside red.
                i'd be very careful on that shot though in a proper scrap with a nice player and it was 3-3, id worry about jawing the pink and it coming back and splidging the reds leaving him to wrap his own present
                you played the right shot for you at the time so far enough

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                • Smooth cueing j6uk

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                  • Originally Posted by Terry Davidson View Post
                    Now I'm going down to try the suggestion from vmax. I have a 60" pool cue here and I'm going to see what happens when I address behind the vertical with my forearm. If it helps to keep my elbow up it might be a winner.

                    Terry
                    Attaboy Tel !! keep that bridge length the same and just take your cue arm back those couple of inches, but remember not to have your grip closed at address, make sure the grip is slightly open at address so that it closes after the strike.

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                    • Originally Posted by vmax4steve View Post
                      Attaboy Tel !! keep that bridge length the same and just take your cue arm back those couple of inches, but remember not to have your grip closed at address, make sure the grip is slightly open at address so that it closes after the strike.
                      I tried the 60" pool cue but couldn't get on with it but it may not have been a fair comparison as the cue is 21oz, 12mm with 32mm butt. (A Predator with 'Z' shaft...wanna buy it?)

                      However with the thicker butt I noticed I was gripping the cue differently (even at vertical) and realized I have allowed my grip to get lazy and change over the past few months. I'm supposed to grip the cue between the two joints on both the thumb and forefinger (I think j6 calls it the 'circle' or something similar) with no pressure from the tip of the forefinger but I had been experimenting with using the back 3 fingers like Alex Higgins as Steve Davis recommended it but he warned that it will shorten the backswing and also cost power.

                      This grip (or actually 'hold' as it's relaxed) has the back of the palm slightly off the cue and back 3 fingers nice and loose but the advantage is those back 3 fingers and the back of the palm don't come onto the butt until just after the time of strike and when they do I get that 'snap' Jimmy White used to talk about as I read somewhere he used the same 1-finger grip.

                      I only tried 2 frames but I noticed everything improved in accuracy and power. In fact the power was really noticeable right away and as everyone saw on my video I was lacking in power which had never been a problem before.

                      So I guess you were right as far as the back of the palm not having to be on the butt at address although I use a different method than you recommended as I feel the forearm should be vertical at address or in other words at the bottom of the elbow pendulum. This grip encourages acceleration through the cueball but more importantly more power with good accuracy so it can't be all bad.

                      As an example, I had a 1/4-ball black to come off the top cushion and break the pack and I hit it so well with top spin I missed the pack completely and almost went in-off into the middle. I'll have to trial this and make some adjustments I think as the cueball did the 'curl' but unfortunately too much of it.

                      So thanks for your input and sorry if I caused any hard feelings.

                      Terry
                      Last edited by Terry Davidson; 4 July 2014, 10:44 PM.
                      Terry Davidson
                      IBSF Master Coach & Examiner

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                      • Originally Posted by j6uk View Post
                        theres been a few pages about me i see, now i know how les feels. some positives too and thats always good, i look at the rest a bit latter.. anyway i managed to get on the table in between a couple of lads playing and one of them kindly snapped a little vid of me doing that pink. i took two shots 'i didn't go nuts, just cued it' but on both i cued the white higher then i needed to, i was hitting 6 & 7 when i should of gone 5 to get into them. on looking back at tels situation there weren't that little entry gap but there still was that red that had its nose out. i'll have another look at it when i start playing again
                        Nice cueing J6. Would love to have a best of 9 with you one day if I ever come out to UK
                        Mayur Jobanputra, Snooker Coach and Snooker Enthusiast
                        My Snooker Blog: www.snookerdelight.com

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                        • Could I ask ,on the pink shot, was the pink around a two thirds / three quarter shot? Cue ball about eight inches off the Cush? As I would like to have a go at it, cheers.
                          This is how you play darts ,MVG two nines in the same match!
                          https://youtu.be/yqTGtwOpHu8

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                          • Originally Posted by itsnoteasy View Post
                            Could I ask ,on the pink shot, was the pink around a two thirds / three quarter shot? Cue ball about eight inches off the Cush? As I would like to have a go at it, cheers.
                            It was about a 2/3rds pot. You have the cueball right. I've tried it on my table and managed to hit the pack when I avoided that red which was sticking out but even on my table the pack didn't move much and I had no shot. Tried really increasing the power and the pink bounced out of the pocket (my middle pockets aren't cut properly).

                            I think the best shot would have been to play that loose red for either yellow or green pocket or the same middle pocket as the pink since if memory serves once the pink was re-spotted it couldn't be potted into the top pocket. I think crashing the pack on that table would have been a challenge as those pockets are cut worse than mine.

                            Next year we'll be on new Schender tables with Hainsworth cloth and it I get that shot again or similar I would likely try it now that I seem to have sorted my grip out.

                            Terry
                            Terry Davidson
                            IBSF Master Coach & Examiner

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                            • I'm welling up here, there's so much love in the room!
                              Did you put my "1" up ?

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                              • Originally Posted by danam1 View Post
                                I'm welling up here, there's so much love in the room!
                                Have another beer and a good cry
                                Terry Davidson
                                IBSF Master Coach & Examiner

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