knocking a break in with an i phone one yer head and a lump o wood worth 20 quid?

[j6uk]

When I'm in a match and under pressure sometime there are really weird thoughts that go through my mind. I must not have felt confident on that cut-back black so I just grabbed the points (which I know is a bad attitude but you just don't think straight when under the gun). Note it was a little less than 1/2-ball and I would have had to jack the cue up to get the screw on the cueball.

Terry

i know what you mean being in the heat of battle but the right shot is the right shot. i don't buy the pressure stuff, you sound like a inexperienced 30 break maker, and that black was not less than 1/2 it was a thick half ball, a perfect angle and you didn't need to dig into it

[Stupree]

id of tried that shot on a shower rug

Early entry for 'QUOTE OF THE MONTH' from J6UK there

[Terry Davidson]

not from what i saw but you might be right

They seeded the round robin groups and he was the #1 seed. In the provincial ranking he was #7 and I was #14 although he played all of his 5 matches at his home club with Brunswick tables, slow cloths and plenty of rolls along with light cueballs and bad cushions too.

Terry

[Terry Davidson]

i know what you mean being in the heat of battle but the right shot is the right shot. i don't buy the pressure stuff, you sound like a inexperienced 30 break maker, and that black was not less than 1/2 it was a thick half ball, a perfect angle and you didn't need to dig into it

You need to look at the shot again. I mis-hit the red before it as I did want to get a 1/2-ball black to break the pack. Note the cueball is 6" off the top cushion and about 8" from the side cushion which is a lot thinner than 1/2-ball.

[Terry Davidson]

i know what you mean being in the heat of battle but the right shot is the right shot. i don't buy the pressure stuff, you sound like a inexperienced 30 break maker, and that black was not less than 1/2 it was a thick half ball, a perfect angle and you didn't need to dig into it

Well, thank you very much for that comment. But then again you said you are not an experienced tournament player so you would have little recent experience with tournament play. They're all 'easy' shots when you're just banging the balls about in a fun game down at your club aren't they?

Your 'right shot' was the wrong shot as I would have had to jack the cue up a bit and use deep screw to stand a chance to get into the pack with any speed at all.

Terry

[Byrom]

no you don't need to dig into in that takes away the control aspect of the shot - this shot can be timed nicely which is key - played it loads of times hit at 5 - 6 or 7 o clock on the white and experiment - throw it in with some authority at that angle you don't need any side just bottom and screw really.

try it out on your table - get a better reaction on a faster cloth - spread the reds lovely - J6 is right here Terry but this is perhaps a aggressive shot whilst you might prefer to pick em off - different styles of play suit different players of course.

Nothing wrong with trying it out something new for yourself though Terry always good to give yourself options in a game.

[Terry Davidson]

no you don't need to dig into in that takes away the control aspect of the shot - this shot can be timed nicely which is key - played it loads of times hit at 5 - 6 or 7 o clock on the white and experiment - throw it in with some authority at that angle you don't need any side just bottom and screw really.

try it out on your table - get a better reaction on a faster cloth - spread the reds lovely - J6 is right here Terry but this is perhaps a aggressive shot whilst you might prefer to pick em off - different styles of play suit different players of course.

Nothing wrong with trying it out something new for yourself though Terry always good to give yourself options in a game.

I just tried this shot on my table. From looking at the video it appears the cueball is about 8" from the side cushion and around 6" from the top cushion. Note the reds are basically on the centreline of the table (the pink is left of its spot). First I tried rolling the shot in just aiming for the edge of the black (a 1/2-ball in other words) and the black went to the side cushion about 1" above the horn so that means the shot is between 1/2 & 1/4-ball cut and worse it's a cutback shot. (Actually I screwed up on the red before that as I didn't get enough top stuff to get the cueball where I wanted it, level with the black).

Then I placed reds in the same position as in the video and tried the shot with extreme screw with a lot of power and caught the red nearest the black about 1/4-ball and ended up near the middle pocket. My table is a lot faster but with a lighter nap so maybe a deep screw power shot might have split the reds on the heavier nap.

I don't have access to a slower table with a heavy nap so why don't you or J6 give it a try the next time you're at your club and see how you do with the shot as I found it to be a difficult shot and I even went in-off in the middle on one of the attempts. Just make sure you have the cueball 6" off the top cushion and about 8" from the side cushion and you will see it's slightly less than 1/2-ball and although the pot wasn't difficult it became a lot more difficult with a power deep screw.

I even purposely tried to use as long a backswing as possible, about 7.5" and still couldn't get the cueball to hit the red nearest the black full in the face for the good split as that red is actually to the left of the centreline of the table.

Besides that we're talking one shot here out of 6 frames and in the end I won anyway. I think I made the right decision on this one as I would have likely ended up with the cueball in baulk with the reds hardly split at all.

Terry

[itsnoteasy]

I'm going in the club tomorrow, I will give this a try if you don't mind Terry.
How wide a target do you think the reds are, say each side of the centre line and how far above the black.

[Terry Davidson]

Check the video on page #7 at 1:10 or so. There are 8 reds mostly grouped close to the centreline and left of it so catching them with a cut-back black is tough.

Terry

[itsnoteasy]

I went and had a look ,to be honest when it was getting discussed I had a quick look and thought "that's an easy stun up or nice screw into that pack" but I went and had a proper look after saying I would try it and it looks quite hard, if you could get your hand on the table it would be a different story, but I reckon I might struggle, and I have decent cue power, (if that's not bragging) I will let you know how It goes, although it means nothing as it doesn't matter if I miss I can have another go , I've not got someone behind me knocking in a fifty lol.

[j6uk]

You need to look at the shot again. I mis-hit the red before it as I did want to get a 1/2-ball black to break the pack. Note the cueball is 6" off the top cushion and about 8" from the side cushion which is a lot thinner than 1/2-ball.

i know what and where a 1/2 ball black is
yes players go about there business in different ways but every nice player i know would not think twice about going into them from that angle, if anything to stop the white running up the table

[j6uk]

Well, thank you very much for that comment. But then again you said you are not an experienced tournament player so you would have little recent experience with tournament play. They're all 'easy' shots when you're just banging the balls about in a fun game down at your club aren't they?

Your 'right shot' was the wrong shot as I would have had to jack the cue up a bit and use deep screw to stand a chance to get into the pack with any speed at all.

Terry

that was bread and butter and the white was well off the cuch, you sure you've made a 147 break before tel?

[vmax4steve]

that was bread and butter and the white was well off the cuch, you sure you've made a 147 break before tel?

I don't think all this criticism is neccessary j6, Terry is an old fart of 69 :sleeping: with a short cue action and I'm sure when younger he played a better game, and if the balls fall for you then century breaks are there to be had, even 147's. Unlike aceman I expected to see better, more positive, even at the ripe old age of 69.

I stand by my assumption that he needs a longer cue in order to have the length of he bridge that he likes, to get his cue arm slightly behind the vertical at address and enable him to have a comfortable longer backswing. With his present cue he's right on the edge of chucking his shoulder into almost every shot he plays with power and the cure is only a matter of a couple or three extra inches of cue.
No need to muck about with technique, just get a longer cue and it will just fall into place. Cue arm will go back while keeping the same length bridge with no need to bend the bridge arm, sorted !!

There are cheap chinese cues of 60 inches on ebay for £30, a nothing cost if it sorts your game out.

As for the side question it looks like Terry and Nic Barrows experiments have lead them to believe that transmitted side to the object ball is what gives the effect in helping side, why mention it otherwise.
Anyone aiming for the actual contact point when playing helping side will miss the pot on the thin side every time, you need to aim to miss the pot on the thick side to compensate for the deflection and arcing of the cue ball.

[j6uk]

i know it sounds a bit tossy to go on about it but for a multi max maker to say they won't go into the pack cus of that angle and the table was to slow to open them from the black is just plane funny chuckles..
i have teenagers yapping at my heals and we have a jokes about shots we should of taken, but its all healthy
vmax i don't think it is the cue i think his style of play is ingrained and he's always played like it

[Giggity1984]

Jeez, give Terry a break!

He was playing in a tournament that meant something to him and it was streamed online with all you lot watching him, so he felt some competitive pressure and chose a shot that you lot wouldn't of played, or deem to be negative.

A)We all play the game differently, so there's no such thing as the wrong shot.
B)Anyone who says that competition doesn't bring pressure that affects your shot choice/cue action/ANY decision you make is either very lucky to not feel such pressures or wrong.
C)Where in this thread did Terry ask for your criticism of his shot choice?!

Seems like very strange and unfriendly behavior to me.