knocking a break in with an i phone one yer head and a lump o wood worth 20 quid?

[Terry Davidson]

i know it sounds a bit tossy to go on about it but for a multi max maker to say they won't go into the pack cus of that angle and the table was to slow to open them from the black is just plane funny chuckles..
i have teenagers yapping at my heals and we have a jokes about shots we should of taken, but its all healthy
vmax i don't think it is the cue i think his style of play is ingrained and he's always played like it

You sound like you're jealous of my 147s or something. As I've always said I made them around 28 years ago and I readily admit my game has deteriorated since then, especially in the cue power area where I have unconsciously shortened my backswing because I was moving on the backswing (Steve Davis recently discovered this same thing by the way so maybe it's something to do with age, who knows)?

For vmax, I respect your opinion but a 60"-61" cue is not the way I want to go. If you would have looked at my grip forearm in more shots you would have seen it normally is right at the vertical but I have about 13" hanging over my 'V' and that's with a 58" cue. I have recently started working on actually shortening my bridge and lengthening my backswing and am finding I'm starting to see more success in the cue power with accuracy category.

I do disagree with you that I should hold the cue behind the vertical since the object of the delivery is to return the cue to the EXACT address position at the time of strike. In order for the brain to recognize that exact address position there are two keys, the first is the vertical position of the forearm (or the actual bottom of the pendulum in the words of Joe Davis - although he was actually ahead of the vertical on most shots) and the other is the back of the palm coming back onto the butt of the cue, pretty forcefully on a power shot. With the forearm behind the vertical you lose one of those memory keys as the back of the palm will still be off the butt. I have found having the vertical and getting the back of the palm down at address is a help for both myself and my students.

Terry

[ace man]

knocking a break in with an i phone one yer head and a lump o wood worth 20 quid?

Just because someone has made a 147 does not mean that he has cue action without limits. I am sure a guy like Dave Harold has made quite a few.
Terrys opponent from that match actually to me appears more technically sound. But is he a better player than Terry? Not a chance, despite better cueing and age advantage.
The reason I did not expect higher level is simply because players well below pro standard but still kind of good-ish generally do not perform any better at big stage. They cannot, no matter what their high break may be.
You only need to see Masters category at IBSF or EBSA. Other than Darren Morgan and maybe one or two more guys, all of the others look very human when they play, despite high break stats.

[Terry Davidson]

i know it sounds a bit tossy to go on about it but for a multi max maker to say they won't go into the pack cus of that angle and the table was to slow to open them from the black is just plane funny chuckles..
i have teenagers yapping at my heals and we have a jokes about shots we should of taken, but its all healthy
vmax i don't think it is the cue i think his style of play is ingrained and he's always played like it

You are wrong about the angle of the black pot. I tested it out and it is between 1/2 & 1/4-ball and it's a difficult shot to pot the black and break the pack and it's definitely NOT a bread and butter shot. I tested it myself and was unable to break the pack as I couldn't get enough screw to catch the bottom red full. I asked you to look at the shot again and then try it out yourself at your club but don't cheat it, that cueball was no more than 6" off the top cushion and 8" off the side cushion. I normally never pass on an opportunity to break the pack.

itsnoteasy has offered to try out the shot himself and we'll see how he gets on using a slower club table with strong nap. I think for that particular shot I made the right decision (for me) taking into account all the variables.

And by the way, if you're so great at playing snooker why don't you play in tournaments at all? You said once you have won one handicapped tournament but no mention of any pro-am or All-England tournaments, or Q School or PTCs. If I lived in England I would be entering all the tournaments I could if I had all the knowledge and skill you say you have. It's a tough shot breaking the pack from a cut-back black.

Where's the video you promised too?

Terry

[j6uk]

You are wrong about the angle of the black pot. I tested it out and it is between 1/2 & 1/4-ball and it's a difficult shot to pot the black and break the pack and it's definitely NOT a bread and butter shot.
Terry

it was 1/2 ball. if it was 1/3 you would of been cueing over the other corner pocket. and if that ani't a bread and butter shot for you you've never made a max

[j6uk]

It's a tough shot breaking the pack from a cut-back black.

Terry

its bread and butter for someone who has the ability you say you've got

[pottr]

This is spiralling into farce..

Terry, I know how spectacular a player you were in the 80's as I have heard testimony several times.

That black into the pack was a doddle my friend... But, the right shot is the one you feel most comfortable with, you should never push the boat out if you aren't forced to. You potted the black, fair enough...

I'd have gone into them 100/100

The pink into the middle at 1:16... no way should you ever play to go into the reds there and you didn't...

Personally, I'd have rolled the pink in and then played off the pack of reds leaving the guy behind the big target of yellow and brown... But again, no qualms with you playing the green as you did.

[j6uk]

I think for that particular shot I made the right decision (for me) taking into account all the variables.

Terry

yep im with you there, we can only play the game the way we see it

[pottr]

You need some cue power like my good self Terry...

This is from last month where Chris Wakelin set me the challenge of screwing a ball from in line with the black spot from the baulk line to the baulk cushion and potting the ball... I told Chris, not only have I done that many times, I could get it in off in the yellow or green pocket...

http://s1357.photobucket.com/user/po...86428.mp4.html

Proper table, proper cloth with 1G Tournament Champion balls...

Chris couldn't get the ball back past the blue... In his words: "Jack can do that all day... can't make 20!"

[cyberheater]

You need some cue power like my good self Terry...

This is from last month where Chris Wakelin set me the challenge of screwing a ball from in line with the black spot from the baulk line to the baulk cushion and potting the ball... I told Chris, not only have I done that many times, I could get it in off in the yellow or green pocket...

http://s1357.photobucket.com/user/po...86428.mp4.html

Proper table, proper cloth with 1G Tournament Champion balls...

Chris couldn't get the ball back past the blue... In his words: "Jack can do that all day... can't make 20!"

That's some cue power mate. I'm not sure you'll be able to do that on our club tables with a feather light balls but still. Fantastic timing on the shot.

[pottr]

On the contrary, with a lighter white it's actually not difficult at all. But with a genuine set, it takes some doing... I couldn't do it tonight, my tip is only 3 weeks old and with it being spring/summer, my frequency of practice is somewhat diminished.

[cyberheater]

...I couldn't do it tonight, my tip is only 3 weeks old....

What difference does that make?

[Byrom]

Grrrrrrrrrrrr more cue power than me too

http://s1357.photobucket.com/user/po...86428.mp4.html

[pottr]

Why would it have to be luck Byrom?

What difference does that make?

If you really have to ask?

I'm only kidding pal. With a newer tip (particularly mine) they are a little higher and if (like me) you used pressed tips and not layered ones, they will take a good few hours of playing with before they're bedded in fully...

It does make me laugh when I read about people who change their tip after only a frame or two...It takes time to work out what you want from a tip.

But... in answer... when a tip's played in, you can perform a greater range of shots... simple as that.

[cyberheater]

Why would it have to be luck Byrom?


If you really have to ask?

I'm only kidding pal. With a newer tip (particularly mine) they are a little higher and if (like me) you used pressed tips and not layered ones, they will take a good few hours of playing with before they're bedded in fully...

It does make me laugh when I read about people who change their tip after only a frame or two...It takes time to work out what you want from a tip.

But... in answer... when a tip's played in, you can perform a greater range of shots... simple as that.

I can understand that. I often find that my tip plays just about perfectly for me just before I have to replace it. Odd that.

[pottr]

Isn't that just the truth.