Visualize BOB

[itsnoteasy]

I was asking a question - v max has answered above - it is not what I do - but I kind of understand what he means.

People can get hung up on sighting - some are more instinctive or they get that way eventually after repeating the shots a million times - if what you do works for you it works I suppose.

It is interesting what others do and how they differ I think - be a boring world if we all played the same - and this forum would certainly be a lot duller

Haha sorry, I missed Vmaxes post and got the complete wrong end of the stick, sorry Byrom.

[vmax4steve]

I don't understand this Byrom, if you can't see the contact point from behind the shot, you can't pot the ball, it doesn't matter how many times you walk round the table to look at it,if you can't see it you can't hit it.

You can see the contact point on a thin cut but it's very small and difficult to visualise. Walking around to a position where it's easy to see it and then going back to the cue ball puts the contact point into your short term memory and subconsciously you remember where it is and stand in the correct place to put the cue on the line of aim.
This works for me and Jimmy White and Mathew Stevens and many many others as well, I've even seen Ronnie do it on occasion. Somethings happening and I've tried to explain what I think it is, but seeing as it works there is no need to question it so give it a go. Just walk around, take a look, go back and sight the shot and let the short term memory do what it evolved to do.

[Ramon]

You can see the contact point on a thin cut but it's very small and difficult to visualise. Walking around to a position where it's easy to see it and then going back to the cue ball puts the contact point into your short term memory and subconsciously you remember where it is and stand in the correct place to put the cue on the line of aim.
This works for me and Jimmy White and Mathew Stevens and many many others as well, I've even seen Ronnie do it on occasion. Somethings happening and I've tried to explain what I think it is, but seeing as it works there is no need to question it so give it a go. Just walk around, take a look, go back and sight the shot and let the short term memory do what it evolved to do.

Paul Hunter did the same thing all the time,, is a good way to see the course of the ball towards the pocket and remember the contact point of OB.
Great advice, Vmax, thanks.

[itsnoteasy]

You can see the contact point on a thin cut but it's very small and difficult to visualise. Walking around to a position where it's easy to see it and then going back to the cue ball puts the contact point into your short term memory and subconsciously you remember where it is and stand in the correct place to put the cue on the line of aim.
This works for me and Jimmy White and Mathew Stevens and many many others as well, I've even seen Ronnie do it on occasion. Somethings happening and I've tried to explain what I think it is, but seeing as it works there is no need to question it so give it a go. Just walk around, take a look, go back and sight the shot and let the short term memory do what it evolved to do.

Yep I agree with what you say Vmax, I just got the wrong end of the stick, I don't know how ,but I missed your original post(maybe skipped a page by mistake) so when I read Byroms post it didn't make a lot of sense to me. It's a very handy thing having a look at the contact point from directly behind it.

[pcb]

my problem is not seeing bob, its working out how to send the white on the correct line to contact the correct spot on the object ball to pot it. THE TIP IS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE WHITE BALL BUT IT IS THE INSIDE EDGE OF THE WHITE THAT MAKES CONTACT ON BOB . I JUST CANT WORK OUT THE CORRECT LINE . ANY HELP WOULD BE GREAT .

[Ramon]

my problem is not seeing bob, its working out how to send the white on the correct line to contact the correct spot on the object ball to pot it. THE TIP IS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE WHITE BALL BUT IT IS THE INSIDE EDGE OF THE WHITE THAT MAKES CONTACT ON BOB . I JUST CANT WORK OUT THE CORRECT LINE . ANY HELP WOULD BE GREAT .

If I may say something here (because I'm no coach,, sorry),,, !!! The way I see it, and the way which you describes your problem . says , that your problem has nothing to do with Visualize BOB. But with your cue action.
Because seen the contact area of OB, is one thing. And sending the CB to the contact area of OB with proper technique , is an other thing. Many coaches believe that the hand follows the eye. No doubt about that. But if you hit/strik the CB not on right way and with proper technique, you will miss the pot ( even if u do'nt take ur eyes of the OB )!!!

[Leo]

Stop making potting sound so complicated it really is not hard to pot a ball,yes you are going to miss at times,but if you are at the stage where you are struggling to visualize the contact of a ball then i suggest coaching lessons live 1 to 1 is your best bet.

[itsnoteasy]

Stop making potting sound so complicated it really is not hard to pot a ball,yes you are going to miss at times,but if you are at the stage where you are struggling to visualize the contact of a ball then i suggest coaching lessons live 1 to 1 is your best bet.

I think folk get confused between line of aim, line of sight and contact point or Bob , and where the cue points. All three only come together on a perfectly straight shot, I know it confused me when I first started.

[golferson123]

Visualize BOB

is there any wonder.? they get confused with all these theories and terminologies,any wonder. they can deliver the cue at all

[vmax4steve]

is there any wonder.? they get confused with all these theories and terminologies,any wonder. they can deliver the cue at all

The thing is golfperson is all a player needs to do is look at the target but so many on this forum can't work that out and need to have the reasons why explained to them, and then they still don't get it.
The big thing I've noticed is that so many think they're aiming their cue down the line of aim and therefore think that the line of aim is only as wide as the tip of the cue.
That is a wrong assumption; the line of aim is as wide as the cue ball and it's the cue ball that you aim towards the object ball to contact it (OB) in a particular place to make the pot.

The cue is used as a method of propulsion and yes it's vital to get the cue on the line of aim in order that the cue ball travels in a straight line, but the tip of the cue is not pointing at the contact point on the object ball so therefore it's wrong to see the tip of the cue as the line of aim and to use the tip of the cue for aiming purposes.

All a player has to do is to look at the target, which is the contact point on the object ball, and let the eyes guide the feet, body and hands into position to place the cue on the line of aim.
This is the way that the natural human hand and eye co-ordination evolved to work, this is how man became a hunter using tools, and in snooker we are hunting down the contact point on the object ball using tools (the cue ball and the cue) are we not ?

[Wayne G]

The thing is golfperson is all a player needs to do is look at the target but so many on this forum can't work that out and need to have the reasons why explained to them, and then they still don't get it.
The big thing I've noticed is that so many think they're aiming their cue down the line of aim and therefore think that the line of aim is only as wide as the tip of the cue.
That is a wrong assumption; the line of aim is as wide as the cue ball and it's the cue ball that you aim towards the object ball to contact it (OB) in a particular place to make the pot.

The cue is used as a method of propulsion and yes it's vital to get the cue on the line of aim in order that the cue ball travels in a straight line, but the tip of the cue is not pointing at the contact point on the object ball so therefore it's wrong to see the tip of the cue as the line of aim and to use the tip of the cue for aiming purposes.

All a player has to do is to look at the target, which is the contact point on the object ball, and let the eyes guide the feet, body and hands into position to place the cue on the line of aim.
This is the way that the natural human hand and eye co-ordination evolved to work, this is how man became a hunter using tools, and in snooker we are hunting down the contact point on the object ball using tools (the cue ball and the cue) are we not ?

Steve,

Thanks. This is the best explanation that I've read. I understand this better than ever now. I guess subconsciously I've been doing this in a fashion but this clears it up for once and all.

[vmax4steve]

Steve,

Thanks. This is the best explanation that I've read. I understand this better than ever now. I guess subconsciously I've been doing this in a fashion but this clears it up for once and all.

It is a subconscious act Wayne G. no need to think about it except to remind yourself to look at the target both first and last

[Ramon]

is there any wonder.? they get confused with all these theories and terminologies,any wonder. they can deliver the cue at all

you know golferson,, I envy you. everything is just so easy for you. just go to the table and potting balls,,, 147 would be created within a few minutes. Wouw.. I wished I could play so well. I say this because for me it is not an easy game snooker!!! next time, I'm just going to the table and potting balls. No technique!! we don't want that, do we ??
anyway, many thanks for your statement,,. I have a feeling that we all can learn something here !!!
I was today to the practice!! I was gonna do the scrw back shot. I said to the red ball: come back please!!! But he didn't !!! haha,, (How is that possible !!!) . you have to forgive me brother, I need sum time to get used to this story : useing no technique. Just go there en make a 147.So, I'm going to do my best.
Anyway, I just wanted to say. Thanks for your advice!!!

[Ramon]

is there any wonder.? they get confused with all these theories and terminologies,any wonder. they can deliver the cue at all

you know golferson,, I envy you. everything is just so easy for you. just go to the table and potting balls,,, 147 would be created within a few minutes. Wouw.. I wished I could play so well. I say this because for me it is not an easy game snooker!!! next time, I'm just going to the table and potting balls. No technique!! we don't want that, do we ??
many thanks for your statement,,. I have a feeling that we all can learn something here !!!
I was today to the practice!! I was gonna do the scrw back shot. I said to the red ball: come back please!!! But he didn't !!! haha,, (How is that possible !!!) . you have to forgive me brother, I need sum time to get used to this story : useing no technique. Just go there en make a 147.So, I'm going to do my best.
Anyway, I just wanted to say. Thanks for your advice!!!

[Ramon]

sorry for double post ,btw ................