Is the Stun run Thru ever actually 100% necessary?

[ADR147]

i hear you, whats your best selling tips at the moment?

elks have always been the biggest sellers. but now selling more of my own than any other laminated tips.

[DG GIBERT]

Quote from Complete Snooker by Terry Griffiths Pelham books 1984

" To give you an idea of how valuable this shot is in the professional game up to 75 per cent of all shots played incorporate the stun run-through.
As a way of controlling the cue ball, it is by far the most useful and allows you to place the white ball in areas of the table you probably never
thought possible."

[DG GIBERT]

OMG was it 30 years ago I bought this book

[cyberheater]

Quote from Complete Snooker by Terry Griffiths Pelham books 1984

" To give you an idea of how valuable this shot is in the professional game up to 75 per cent of all shots played incorporate the stun run-through.
As a way of controlling the cue ball, it is by far the most useful and allows you to place the white ball in areas of the table you probably never
thought possible."

Yes. I've got that book which is why I started to learn the shot. It's a great book.

[Byrom]

Stun-run-through is an absolute necessity yeah. As ace man has said above, how could you possibly pot a ball that's 8ft from the pocket, and also get the white ball to just run through 1.5" for position.

I mean, the stun run through is used all the time in a break anyway. If you're in the balls, it's amazing how many times you're playing it on loads of angled shots as well.

Learn the shot

Bang on - and I sympathise with J6 when he sits through his league matches - It is quite annoying when you have to sit and watch others play snooker without knowing how to stun up and down the white for position - and annoying after if they miss or blame the table for rolling off or when they loose position. It is an invaluable shot in snooker - I doubt you would ever get regular 50's without knowing how to play this shot infact.

[sammyts]

I agree stun/run and stun/screw are a massive help in regular break building, what amazes me watching snooker on tv many commentators love mentioning and describing the stun/run, however I have NEVER heard any of them even mention a stun/screw ??

[tedisbill]

I agree stun/run and stun/screw are a massive help in regular break building, what amazes me watching snooker on tv many commentators love mentioning and describing the stun/run, however I have NEVER heard any of them even mention a stun/screw ??

Good point actually. Another shot that crops up quite a bit.

[Byrom]

There are lots of terms in snooker that are misleading confusing or don't properly explain things to the reader or listener - I don't think I have read a book or seen a DVD yet that is fully explanatory and correct. One day some modern day coach will make a book and explain them all properly.

[sammyts]

Don't think there will ever be a book that covers every shot as top players are constantly playing shots that are only possible with changing conditions, the very fast new clothes make many shots possible that older generations did'nt have available.

[Byrom]

No I mean - none of the books are video properly explain things using correct terminology - or go into depth properly - there are ways of applying side and mitigating throw for example - never heard these types of things explained properly by anyone outside this forum actually - granted its difficult to explain how a shot 'feels' in your body in writing or why your timing of the shot and keeping the tip in contact with the cue ball that little fraction longer improves this. The term 'grip' is often misunderstood by many and there are many shots and the way - benefit - of playing them over different types of shot available that are not explained correctly.

Many people stick to the same old tired formula of writing about snooker all based around Joe Davis principles and add nothing new to the debate - I would be the first to buy a book written properly by a good snooker coach who could actually write about it all correctly. I think it better to add other views into a coaching manual with the various views taken from a variety of players and coaches rather than in a first person way - saying this is the only way - maybe a collaboration of views on snooker is what is needed to stay objective and provide something new. Which is what this forum and the wider internet provides funny enough - just got to sift through the stuff that does not float your boat first.

[sammyts]

I think you hit the nail on the head when you mentioned the 'feel' of any shot, the same as everyone's vision being different so no coach can ever 'see' a shot the same way as a pupil, both are things that have to be learned by trial and error.

[Byrom]

I think you hit the nail on the head when you mentioned the 'feel' of any shot, the same as everyone's vision being different so no coach can ever 'see' a shot the same way as a pupil, both are things that have to be learned by trial and error.

Well a book or a forum a DVD or a chat can never fully replace hours on a table in practice or coaching in person I don't think.

Some things can click to a player though - if you use the right language - I remember a poster on here J6UK I think it was who described the feel of the pull back on a certain shot feeling like a ball rolling back up a track I think.

There are zillions of questions to ask and you are right the modern game and playing conditions are different now and shots and ways of playing from club tables to match tables are not the same but I would like to see someone cover these things and I have not seen it done properly yet.

Does Ronnie hit from the forearm - elbow, what is the Dell drive? Does Ding practice the back swing religiously and what is his practice routine and others? How does Trump play that deep screw so well - Why do Selby Trump and Ronnie all move slightly on the shot when timing something. Why does Robertson look down at his feet when walking in sometimes and cue under one eye on long shots? What about the psychology of the game - Why does this help>? What does Marco Fu do to keep so chilled out? What inspired Ebdon the most? - Why does Higgins play so well under pressure? Why does Murphy pose on the shot keeping his cue forward after delivery? Why does Maguire move the cue sightly forward after pausing on the back swing before accelerating forward fully through the ball. What are the benefits if any of a wristy Mark Allen grip and short back swing over a more longer back swing and firmer grip.

Be nice to see a book from a snooker player or coach that covered various points asking various players and coaches the questions I have never seen answered fully on cues sighting technique - secrets and tips for certain shots even - everything really - questions like these and more rather than the same boring old autobiographies blah blah - took drugs entered this event played well got depressed went running blah blah blah.

I would also like it written in a humorous way too - far too many are quite boring to read.

[tedisbill]

blah blah - took drugs entered this event played well got depressed went running blah blah blah.

When is your book out, Byrom?

Sounds great.

[Byrom]

ha ha just requesting - or moaning - can't help it its nearly Christmas.

[sammyts]

The only 2 I can give you an answer to are : Ronnie imagines hitting the ball with his elbow, an idea from Dell hill and connected to the Dell drive you mentioned. Hitting the ball that way means his shoulder drops thru impact which is why at address his cue has more angle from the horizontal to allow it to level out as his shoulder drops. As for Judd and screwing the ball, when I first saw and played with/against Judd at a young age he was too short to let his cue arm hang down like most players so looked like an exaggerated version of Joe Swail. This means he has a tendancy to drop his cue tip thru impact ( we all either drop slightly or scoop slightly) which helps impart more back spin. As for the other technical questions I think they are all compensations for flaws the individual has or had in the past and has just become habit. The psychological side is a whole new can of worms and probably even more personal and individual than the technical side ! With you all the way on the autobiographies, just cheap cop outs to make money !