Aiming/Sighting Consistency

[Hello, Mr Big Shot]

AHAM... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7yvncPecY0

SVB can't pot worth a sook so please stop trying to convince us he is a "monster" he breaks better than the rest that is it. Darren appelton has beat him the last 9 times they have met.

No, he's a monster alright. He can be beat in short race, alternate break formats, but Daz himself will tell you he simply has no chance in longer race, winner breaks matches - especially gambling.

His break is one of the most phenomenal acievements in cuesport history, and it is churlish to dismiss his skill at it. Hours and hours of practice every day. He is also an exceptionally skilled all round pool player.

[Hello, Mr Big Shot]

I've been fortunate to speak to some of the top 9ball players including Darren and Chris and they all tell you the same.. The game isn't about potting it's about the safety.
As for English 8ball the top players In general tend to play snooker to a high standard to.. Gareth.. Mick hill Craig wad.

The game is certainly not about potting balls - that's a given and the easy bit. The difficult bit is navigating a large CB through lots of traffic for single ball position. That is why players 'cheat' the pocket, to create angles. No nice fat margins of error at 9 ball. No choice of reds or colours to choose from, or large empty spaces to play through. Hurdles and sandtraps everywhere.


At the pro levels the differnece between players is safety and the break. Daz and chris have comparatively poor breaks, which is why they can struggle against the elite. You get no argument from me the game is broken for pros and is boring to watch, but amateur snooker hacks saying it's easy and you cannot miss should actually give it a try before spouting their ill-informed nonsense.

[Hello, Mr Big Shot]

SVB would hammer Ronnie at pool, Ronnie would hammer Van Boening at snooker.

Both have fantastic cue actions for their respect disciplines and both are absolute monsters, obviously. The parallels between the two players are striking - both are brilliant, but both are suspect under pressure. They are both capable of genius but there's just the whiff of flat track bully about them. Grinders can throw them out of rhythm.

Now, is there anything else I can help you with when it comes to american pool? How about getting that catalogue cue out and showing us all how to play? I would lend you an LD shaft for it but even they deflect more than half an inch, which is something all good numpties really should know.

As youve been watching the mosconi cup, youtube SVBs recent 10 ball demolition of Nick the Greek and tell me he cannot play.

I think you are slightly wrong on that point Mr Big Shot - SVB would not have a prayer at snooker against Ronnie and Ronnie might get beat at pool but he would compete quite well at it. Some of our lady snooker players went over the pond took up 9 ball and slapped a few players and won a few things did they not?

Couple of the older ones have done it too on a night out for a laugh once or twice.

As i said, ronnie would beat SVB at snooker and SVB would beat ronnie at pool. Both players would admit to it freely and neither would ever challenge the other.

Sounds fair enouh to me.

[jrc750]

Couple of the older ones have done it too on a night out for a laugh once or twice.

Nice to see Alex and Jimmy there showing how easy it is

[pottr]

I think the difference when comparing their talent is:

If ROS gave 9-ball his full attention, within a year I would expect him to be the top player in the discipline.
If SVB gave snooker his full attention, within a year he still wouldn't be good enough to get through Q-school.

[vmax4steve]

The game is certainly not about potting balls - that's a given and the easy bit. The difficult bit is navigating a large CB through lots of traffic for single ball position. That is why players 'cheat' the pocket, to create angles. No nice fat margins of error at 9 ball (except for those enormous pockets). No choice of reds or colours to choose from, or large empty spaces to play through. Hurdles and sandtraps everywhere.

Really, pot a couple of balls from the break and you have a 9 X 4 1/2 foot playing surface with only 7 object balls on it. Break off at snooker and you have a 12 X 6 foot playing surface with 21 object balls on the table with the six colours fiendishly positioned to always be in the way.

Tony Drago was world 10 ball pool champion and 9 ball world master within a few years of giving it a go and he never won anything at snooker. Appleton wasn't good enough for the pro snooker circuit, Mark Gray simply a journeyman snooker pro and they're both in the upper echelons of the 9 ball rankings.

How much more evidence do you need. I'm not putting 9 ball down, it's ok for those who enjoy it but stop bigging it up to be as difficult as snooker because it simply isn't. The americans with their wobbly cue actions took yet another pasting this year from the snooker boys in the europe team. Lessons to be learned there, as I'm sure everyone will agree with except you.

[ace man]

I think the difference when comparing their talent is:

If ROS gave 9-ball his full attention, within a year I would expect him to be the top player in the discipline.
If SVB gave snooker his full attention, within a year he still wouldn't be good enough to get through Q-school.

I would agree with this. Main reason being that Ronnie would not have to change one little bit of his cue action. It is perfect for any pocket game.
Shane would need to make big changes to his basic technique in order to tackle pro level snooker. Unlike many 9ballers, he does have nice rythm and pause(s), but his cue simply wobbles too much.
Pagulayan got very close in Q-school this year. But his cue action is far more snooker like, i.e. no wobble.

[Byrom]

Mr big shot you strike me as an intelligent man but slightly bias on this point - like perhaps a typical pool only player that has never touched a PROPER snooker table. Snooker does take far more consistency and technique to master than pool. Different games yes but you speak like we don't know how to use side and things - we do - but on snooker table our tables are bigger the pockets are far smaller and we have more balls. You need more consistent so we cut out the use of side somewhat because less is more at snooker in terms of consistency - does not mean the good players don't know how to use it when we need to.

Fact is this if your guy played Ronnie first to 20 at pool or 9 ball and then same at snooker Ronnie might get beat but would compete and would take a number of frames at pool whilst at snooker your guy would get trounced every time virtually - bet me what you want its a fact -

Arguing this point is like asking Santa to come four times a year instead of once and you are on the wrong forum to get people to agree with you I am afraid.

[Hello, Mr Big Shot]

I think the difference when comparing their talent is:

If ROS gave 9-ball his full attention, within a year I would expect him to be the top player in the discipline.
If SVB gave snooker his full attention, within a year he still wouldn't be good enough to get through Q-school.

Your first sentence is complete nonsense, your second is completely correct. Both players are perfectly adapted to their own game.

Ronnie could never compete at 9 ball because he has no break, same for virtually all snooker players that have attempted the transition. The break is massive in american pool, particularly 10 ball, which will increasingly become the game of choice at pro levels. Van Boening's 10 ball break is absolutely exceptional, a thing of great beauty, poetry in motion. You should see it in the flesh, it's extraordinary and something ronnie will never master.

[jrc750]

......Ronnie could never compete at 9 ball because he has no break,.....something ronnie will never master.

I'm sure if he tried he could, whereas the pool players would never master snooker

[Hello, Mr Big Shot]

Mr big shot you strike me as an intelligent man but slightly bias on this point - like perhaps a typical pool only player that has never touched a PROPER snooker table. Snooker does take far more consistency and technique to master than pool. Different games yes but you speak like we don't know how to use side and things - we do - but on snooker table our tables are bigger the pockets are far smaller and we have more balls. You need more consistent so we cut out the use of side somewhat because less is more at snooker in terms of consistency - does not mean the good players don't know how to use it when we need to.

Fact is this if your guy played Ronnie first to 20 at pool or 9 ball and then same at snooker Ronnie might get beat but would compete and would take a number of frames at pool whilst at snooker your guy would get trounced every time virtually - bet me what you want its a fact -

Arguing this point is like asking Santa to come four times a year instead of once and you are on the wrong forum to get people to agree with you I am afraid.

That is specious reasoning at best. American pool is (or should be) played over longer distances than snooker, with races to 100 not uncommon. This evens out the rolls (variance) and determines the better player for certain. Obviously ronnie will rarely lose a frame of snooker and will win many racks of pool, but the better player in each discipline will still win with ease over a reasonable race.

There are also other variants of pool than 9 ball, which SVB would absolutely crush Ronnie at, such as banks or one pocket. These are much greater determinants of skill if you want to go down the route of 'my snooker player is better than your pool player because he can win more games of 9 ball than your guy can win frames of snooker'.

'Course, they could really settle it over a deciding game of tiddlewinks or something lol.

[pottr]

These are much greater determinants of skill if you want to go down the route of 'my snooker player is better than your pool player because he can win more games of 9 ball than your guy can win frames of snooker'.

I once won a 9 ball competition in Northampton where I beat Imran Majid 7:2 in the final...

I won a pool competition in Derby where I beat Phil Harrison in the final...

I am a snooker player, yet I can recall no instances where I have won a snooker tournament beating a former UK or World champion along the way...

All variants of pool are inferior to snooker in terms of ability required to master it... At pool, any dog can have his day.

[Hello, Mr Big Shot]

......Ronnie could never compete at 9 ball because he has no break,.....something ronnie will never master.

I'm sure if he tried he could, whereas the pool players would never master snooker

Again, first part incorrect, second part spot on.

You are dreaming if you think EITHER player can master the other's discipline in a short amount of time. Aside from coming from a family of champions, and playing from the age of about 3, SVB has practiced that break of his for hours and hours every single day for the last 20 years.

Trust me, mastering the break like he has takes time. Daz is from a pool background, moved to american pool 8 years ago, and his break is still about 50% as effective as SVBs. You don't suddenly develop one because you are a great break builder in snooker.

[Hello, Mr Big Shot]

These are much greater determinants of skill if you want to go down the route of 'my snooker player is better than your pool player because he can win more games of 9 ball than your guy can win frames of snooker'.

I once won a 9 ball competition in Northampton where I beat Imran Majid 7:2 in the final...

I won a pool competition in Derby where I beat Phil Harrison in the final...

I am a snooker player, yet I can recall no instances where I have won a snooker tournament beating a former UK or World champion along the way...

All variants of pool are inferior to snooker in terms of ability required to master it... At pool, any dog can have his day.

They can, yet the best players always win the big ones...SVB has just won his third US Open in a row, a remarkable achievement given it's an open event, with 500 or so of the world's greatest players.

Imran came nowhere BTW.

[Terry Davidson]

Have to agree with pottr here. When Steve Davis was well past his best snooker performances, I think somewhere around 2008 or 2009 or so he made the last 16 of the world 9-ball championships. I have to admit he did practice a little bit before the tournament and didn't use the jump shot but that's still a fine performance from a great snooker player.

In my experience here in Canada most of the better pool players were all snooker players first. Alex Pagulayan won the Canadian Snooker Championships twice and he's also won the world 9-ball and 10-ball and John Morra plays a great game of snooker (although he was coached by his father, Mario Morra, who was a snooker pro. Most of our good snooker players also play good 9-ball, like Alain Robidoux, Cliff, Bob Chaperone, Kirk Stevens but none of them hardly ever enter the Canadian 9 or 10 ball championships.

However, I believe with players who are strictly pool players they learned to pot balls a lot quicker than snooker players and then could move on to cueball control and lot earlier in their careers and this is one reason I advocate larger pockets on snooker tables for those learning to play.

Terry