Aiming/Sighting Consistency

[GeordieDS]

Mr Big didn't actually say that Ramon so it's you who is looking a bit silly for criticising something he didn't say especially as you did repeat his exact statement in your posting ... he did not say someone can clear the table in snooker making 36 positional mistakes ...

what he did say was "Pool is all about not making mistakes. Make one minimal positional error and you lose. A snooker player can make 36 minimal positional mistakes and still clear the table in one visit" ... the key word here is "minimal" ...

To be fair in a thread where people have been arguing with a troll for a few days I don't think not understanding what he meant is that silly in the grand scheme of things

[Ramon]

Mr Big didn't actually say that Ramon so it's you who is looking a bit silly for criticising something he didn't say especially as you did repeat his exact statement in your posting ... he did not say someone can clear the table in snooker making 36 positional mistakes ...

what he did say was "Pool is all about not making mistakes. Make one minimal positional error and you lose. A snooker player can make 36 minimal positional mistakes and still clear the table in one visit" ... the key word here is "minimal" ...

All kind of sport is about not making mistakes !! not just pool !!
How often have you seen that ros or other pro player SCRW a ball back and he runs out of position, just because the CB 0.5 inche runs a way and does'nt stop on time and that would be the end of the break ????? That is called a minimal mistake. There is no player in the world who can clear the table in one visit with 36 min OR big mistakes !!
What u and Mr big shot re saying is to do in a fantasy world where everyone plays fantasy snooker !! not in a real world !!

[j6uk]

you can make many positional errors in pool and still have options to create an out shot with playing a plant and staying on the table. the most vital shot is your first, then its a matter of sticking to your intended pattern for the next seven shots. yes your working in a smaller area but as we can see the games more of a leveler where you can get a snooker 20 break player nicking racks from a ton player

[OmaMiesta]

Im with Ramon on this one....this whole pool vs snooker thing is getting really old..take it from someone who started off playing pool religiously and then switched to snooker. It doesn't take a genius to know which cue sport is more difficult. Pool does not compare to Snooker, not even close. I can rack a pool table consistently with either hand but struggle to make a 50 break in snooker.

[itsnoteasy]

If you played snooker even to a low standard you would know making one positional ,error never mind 36 , even if it's minimal can be enough to make sure your break ends in the near future, even the pros once out of position end up chasing the White round the table trying to get it back but more often than not break down(this is how Mark Selby plays, but of course he was a pool player) most of the statements about pool vs snooker on this thread are bordering on the ridiculous , pool is for players that can't or won't put in the time to learn to play snooker.

[vmax4steve]

I can't agree with that and anyone that plays both snooker and pool will tell you that is a myth. In pool, potting balls is easy and positional play is difficult. In snooker, the opposite is true. Large open spaces and multiple options on both reds and colours versus single ball position on a smaller table with lots of traffic in the way...i know which i prefer when it comes to positional play.

I like watching Strickland play pool, but he does have a very bad attitude when he's losing. In last years Mosconi cup he was getting hammered by Appleton and was verbally sparring with the audience that he (Appleton) wasn't making great shots in his run outs and so therefore wasn't playing great pool. Appletons cue ball control made every pot even easier, and he learned it playing snooker. Squeeze the pockets down from five inches to 4 & 1/2 with alternate breaking for the Mosconi cup and the difference is clear.

It's the name of both games Big Shot, cue ball control is what it's all about. The americans don't really have it because they don't need it on tables with such big pockets, make the cushion a foot from the pocket and they still drop, doubles, cross doubles, length of the table doubles, plants, sets, cannons are all easier; the rules of 9 ball are designed to make it a fast potting game, pot any object ball (including game ball) as long as the lowest ball is struck first, ball in hand after a foul, strike the cushion or pot a legal ball every shot or it's a foul.

It's fun to watch, but let's put the game into perspective, alongside snooker, english billiards and three cushion billiards it doesn't stand up as needing a ton of skill to play.

I have a set of 2 & 1/16 inch pool balls and I play 14:1 and 9 ball on a snooker table quite often. It's good fun but very difficult purely down to the table. I am well used to facing a colours clearance at snooker where none of the colours are anywhere near their spots, but as long as they aren't near the cushions the clearance is always on once good position is found from the first pot.

9 ball on a snooker table is quite similar except there are an extra three balls, very rarely pot anything on the break no matter how hard I hit them and have only ever made one run out at 9 ball on a snooker table, but even though position is supposed to be easier due to the bigger surface area of the 12 X 6 table, it's in fact even more crucial as all pots are harder.

[Hello, Mr Big Shot]

That just links the thread. Yes, ace man - cue man is a poster from a different forum - my mistake. I answered ace man's post shortly after he made it, choosing to keep to the topic at hand, rather than veer off in to the land of fantasy and speculation.

No it doesn't ! it links to where ace man said this;
"think Mr Big Shot is an experienced troll.
On AZ Billiards forums he often teases Americans as to how badly they cue and how snooker and english pool players are far superior. Uses names like The Thaiger and various other aliases.
But here on this site, he chose a different strategy. Rather than spitting on US pool players, he now tries to present 9ball as even tougher than snooker.
I would bet money that this is the same person, style seems almost identical.
If that isn't master trolling, I don't know what is."

Then i asked if you had any comment to make on that statement, i am still waiting !

Not on my tablet it doesn't.

You asked me to reply and i did. That you couldn't see it is none of my concern. I have no interest in responding to fantasy and speculation, but when my sport is attacked, I'll defend it.

[Hello, Mr Big Shot]

I can't agree with that and anyone that plays both snooker and pool will tell you that is a myth. In pool, potting balls is easy and positional play is difficult. In snooker, the opposite is true. Large open spaces and multiple options on both reds and colours versus single ball position on a smaller table with lots of traffic in the way...i know which i prefer when it comes to positional play.

Pros in both games make both elements look ridiculously easy, when all us hacks know otherwise.

Pool is all about not making mistakes. Make one minimal positional error and you lose. A snooker player can make 36 minimal positional mistakes and still clear the table in one visit

He must be a very good player then !!!
Mr big shot ,, Would you please think carefully about what you're saying here ??. Because to be honest,, when you say things like this,, the only thing cross in my mind is : This fella is on drugs !!
Do you really think making a break of 147 is easy?? or possible with 36 positional mistakes ?? Do u know some one hoe can clear the table with 36 positional mistakes ( in one visit ) ???
Most of the time, just 1 positional mistake means end of the break.
I respect your opinion as wel as all other members of this forum .. but u might wanna think at least 30 seconds before you gonna say things like this. Are you not a bit biased here ????
anyway,, you are what you are. I do'nt think you will change !!
But consider some things u re saying here could be no harm for your own knowledge ......

Biased? Lol. Oh, the irony. I am the only non biased person here, with a foot in both camps, so to speak. Thanks for your concern but my "knowledge" of BOTH games is just fine - is yours?

You are conflating 'clearance' with 'maximum' and 'minor' with 'whoppers'. As such, you have misrepresented what i said, and my intention. The point is, options are fewer and margins or error smaller in 9 ball than in snooker. No areas to play into, no lovely choice of reds.

As ever, the lord giveth, the lord taketh. Different games, different strategies, different skills, equally as difficult to master.

[Hello, Mr Big Shot]

He must be a very good player then !!!
Mr big shot ,, Would you please think carefully about what you're saying here ??. Because to be honest,, when you say things like this,, the only thing cross in my mind is : This fella is on drugs !!
Do you really think making a break of 147 is easy?? or possible with 36 positional mistakes ?? Do u know some one hoe can clear the table with 36 positional mistakes ( in one visit ) ???
Most of the time, just 1 positional mistake means end of the break.
I respect your opinion as wel as all other members of this forum .. but u might wanna think at least 30 seconds before you gonna say things like this. Are you not a bit biased here ????
anyway,, you are what you are. I do'nt think you will change !!
But consider some things u re saying here could be no harm for your own knowledge ......

Mr Big didn't actually say that Ramon so it's you who is looking a bit silly for criticising something he didn't say especially as you did repeat his exact statement in your posting ... he did not say someone can clear the table in snooker making 36 positional mistakes ...

what he did say was "Pool is all about not making mistakes. Make one minimal positional error and you lose. A snooker player can make 36 minimal positional mistakes and still clear the table in one visit" ... the key word here is "minimal" ...

Thanks. I should have read your post before replying, would have save me some time.

[Hello, Mr Big Shot]

I can't agree with that and anyone that plays both snooker and pool will tell you that is a myth. In pool, potting balls is easy and positional play is difficult. In snooker, the opposite is true. Large open spaces and multiple options on both reds and colours versus single ball position on a smaller table with lots of traffic in the way...i know which i prefer when it comes to positional play.

I like watching Strickland play pool, but he does have a very bad attitude when he's losing. In last years Mosconi cup he was getting hammered by Appleton and was verbally sparring with the audience that he (Appleton) wasn't making great shots in his run outs and so therefore wasn't playing great pool. Appletons cue ball control made every pot even easier, and he learned it playing snooker. Squeeze the pockets down from five inches to 4 & 1/2 with alternate breaking for the Mosconi cup and the difference is clear.

It's the name of both games Big Shot, cue ball control is what it's all about. The americans don't really have it because they don't need it on tables with such big pockets, make the cushion a foot from the pocket and they still drop, doubles, cross doubles, length of the table doubles, plants, sets, cannons are all easier; the rules of 9 ball are designed to make it a fast potting game, pot any object ball (including game ball) as long as the lowest ball is struck first, ball in hand after a foul, strike the cushion or pot a legal ball every shot or it's a foul.

It's fun to watch, but let's put the game into perspective, alongside snooker, english billiards and three cushion billiards it doesn't stand up as needing a ton of skill to play.

I have a set of 2 & 1/16 inch pool balls and I play 14:1 and 9 ball on a snooker table quite often. It's good fun but very difficult purely down to the table. I am well used to facing a colours clearance at snooker where none of the colours are anywhere near their spots, but as long as they aren't near the cushions the clearance is always on once good position is found from the first pot.

9 ball on a snooker table is quite similar except there are an extra three balls, very rarely pot anything on the break no matter how hard I hit them and have only ever made one run out at 9 ball on a snooker table, but even though position is supposed to be easier due to the bigger surface area of the 12 X 6 table, it's in fact even more crucial as all pots are harder.

9 ball on a snooker table is entirely pointless.

I'm also not sure what point you're making regarding earl strickland, other than he's bi-polar and clearly passed his sell by date? and you know there are nations playing american pool other than america, right? America is the laughing stock of the pool playing world, y'know?

[j6uk]

biggy what uni are you at and what are you studying?

[jrc750]

Not on my tablet it doesn't.

You asked me to reply and i did. That you couldn't see it is none of my concern. I have no interest in responding to fantasy and speculation, but when my sport is attacked, I'll defend it.

So I take it you are the troll he speaks of

[golferson123]

Not on my tablet it doesn't.

You asked me to reply and i did. That you couldn't see it is none of my concern. I have no interest in responding to fantasy and speculation, but when my sport is attacked, I'll defend it.

don't suppose there's any chance you could do it on a different forum then,perhaps a pool forum?

[Hello, Mr Big Shot]

biggy what uni are you at and what are you studying?

The university of life and currently studying the misinformed. I have my work cut out.

[Terry Davidson]

I thought I would just ignore this thread but I think there are just 2 questions we need to ask to resolve whether snooker or pool is the most difficult discipline.

The first is this...when Alison Fisher, Karen Corr (and a third I can't remember the name of) went from playing woman's top-level snooker in the UK and moved to the States to play on the US Woman's Pool Tour they dominated the circuit for over 5 years, winning virtually every tournament they entered.

The second is this...the money available to players on the pro snooker tour is one hell of a lot more than is available on the world pro pool tour, of that there is no doubt. If, as Big Shot says, pool is a lot tougher than snooker then why don't we see more pool pros entering Q School to get their pro snooker ticket. As far as I know only Cory Deuel (sp?) and Alex Pagulayan have tried it. Cory is a top pool player however in Bulgaria at the IBSF World Snooker Champs he managed to win only one match in his round-robin group and that was against a very young player from the Ukraine. Alex, on the other hand, started with snooker and became a very good snooker player and then switched to pool where he has won the World 9-ball and I believe the world 10-ball a little more recently. He has also won the Canadian Snooker Champs twice.

We see a few snooker pros move to pool and usually do well but I've never seen a pro pool player switch to snooker and do well. Way back they used to allow the well known pool pros compete in the World Pro Snooker Champs as I remember Steve Mizerac (sp?) did once or twice and he didn't even win a preliminary match and in fact lost by a very lop-sided score.

The proof is there...moving from top level snooker (or even mid-level snooker) to take up pool is something that has been done by a number of players successfully but there has never been a top or medium-level pool player take on snooker and being successful. So which is the more difficult discipline?

Terry