Aiming/Sighting Consistency

[DandyA]

I'm not so alone as you think. Sounds like you yourself are finally seeing the light. There is hope for you yet, lad.

If this was thebilliardsforum circa 1936, there would be hundreds of people piling in on someone daring to suggest snooker is as difficult as billiards, and would be sneering triumphantly at the very suggestion a mere snooker player could ever be a better cueist than Walter lindrum. Show them ronnie o'sullivan in full flight and they would dismiss his game as a mere parlour trick. They KNEW. They couldn't be told.

They would see the issue solely through the prism of their own experience, and be completely ignorant of and indifferent to the viewpoint of others, even when their experience of other games was limited.

What it boils down to is pride and stupidity. People think they suck at snooker because the game is the hardest. They are wrong. They suck at snooker because they suck, period. Whether the game is snooker, billiards, russian pyramid, pool or whatever, is irrelevant. They are all equally difficult.

I'm going to support Mr Big as I don't particularly think he is trolling and is making some very good points - each game is equally difficult (or at least comparable) in different ways ...

briefly, snooker requires high potting skills, English billiards requires in-off skills (the half-ball losing hazard) together with positional skills to collect the balls for nursery cannons or top of the table play, Russian pyramid is a very tactical game (I think, I haven't seen much of it) and pool - there are lots of different pool games but generally are very pressured games simply because anyone can win a frame ...

take this example ... me vs Ronnie O'Sullivan playing a best of 9 frames ... at snooker, I stand zero chance, it'd be 5-0 to Ronnie ... however, at UK 8-ball pool, I can clear the table (sometimes) in a single visit so it would be a lot closer ... so which would Ronnie consider the harder game?

[guernseygooner]

[Catch 22]

I'm not so alone as you think. Sounds like you yourself are finally seeing the light. There is hope for you yet, lad.

If this was thebilliardsforum circa 1936, there would be hundreds of people piling in on someone daring to suggest snooker is as difficult as billiards, and would be sneering triumphantly at the very suggestion a mere snooker player could ever be a better cueist than Walter lindrum. Show them ronnie o'sullivan in full flight and they would dismiss his game as a mere parlour trick. They KNEW. They couldn't be told.

They would see the issue solely through the prism of their own experience, and be completely ignorant of and indifferent to the viewpoint of others, even when their experience of other games was limited.

What it boils down to is pride and stupidity. People think they suck at snooker because the game is the hardest. They are wrong. They suck at snooker because they suck, period. Whether the game is snooker, billiards, russian pyramid, pool or whatever, is irrelevant. They are all equally difficult.

I have previously agreed with you about how 2 different disciplines can be equally hard in their own right . This extends to billiards and Russian pyramid also .

However the bit of your quote in bold , I just thought I'd point out that at the start of joe Davis's book he states that snooker was just a fun game they played inbetween billiard matches for fun and that it was a sensation if anyone ever made a 50 break . . He goes on to say that when he decided to take snooker seriously one of the first things he needed to change was his cue action because his cue action was nowhere near good enough to pot balls consistently . Walter lindrum may well have been different but joe davis goes into great detail about cue action and why he had to change it for snooker .

[GeordieDS]

You know what I would ****ing love it,love it if HMBS was Ronnie O'Sullivan trolling

[rimmer10]

take this example ... me vs Ronnie O'Sullivan playing a best of 9 frames ... at snooker, I stand zero chance, it'd be 5-0 to Ronnie ... however, at UK 8-ball pool, I can clear the table (sometimes) in a single visit so it would be a lot closer ... so which would Ronnie consider the harder game?

I've beaten a few F1 drivers in indoor go-karting on a night out. Doesn't mean I could take them in the real thing. Sorry DandyA but I think that's a bit of a weak argument

[moose]

You know what I would ****ing love it,love it if HMBS was Ronnie O'Sullivan trolling

Hahaha that got a laugh out of me. If only, I would love him so much if that was true. These pool vs snooker debates always degenerate into the same old ****e, but I can't help reading them anyway... it's a bit like reality tv!

[GeordieDS]

Hahaha that got a laugh out of me. If only, I would love him so much if that was true. These pool vs snooker debates always degenerate into the same old ****e, but I can't help reading them anyway... it's a bit like reality tv!

It's laughable really as its common knowledge that talented cueists who can't aren't good enough to make money at snooker switch to pool where they can make money but if you can't make money playing pool then there is zero chance of making any playing snooker.

[OmaMiesta]

OmaMiesta..i admire you for your forthright and honesty in giving your thoughts about both games and the courage and perserverance to switch over and learn it. Hope you do well unlike people who are so stubborn and unreasonable. So adamant about their thoughts even when others admit both games have their own strengths. So clear that snooker is harder to master but have to argue till the cows come home for nothing.

Appreciate the shoutout buddy and I completely agree

[OmaMiesta]

My point was not related to your cue sport abilities...

Lol and what exactly was it related to?

[vmax4steve]

Even Fast Eddie Felson admits that snooker is the harder game, go to 21m 25 seconds

[Byrom]

Even Fast Eddied Felson admits that snooker is the harder game, go to 21m 25 seconds

Video find of the year for me

[pottr]

Byrom wins the thread!

[Terry Davidson]

Byrom wins the thread!

Thank god someone has won this thing. Maybe now it will stop

Terry

[Hello, Mr Big Shot]

I'm not so alone as you think. Sounds like you yourself are finally seeing the light. There is hope for you yet, lad.

If this was thebilliardsforum circa 1936, there would be hundreds of people piling in on someone daring to suggest snooker is as difficult as billiards, and would be sneering triumphantly at the very suggestion a mere snooker player could ever be a better cueist than Walter lindrum. Show them ronnie o'sullivan in full flight and they would dismiss his game as a mere parlour trick. They KNEW. They couldn't be told.

They would see the issue solely through the prism of their own experience, and be completely ignorant of and indifferent to the viewpoint of others, even when their experience of other games was limited.

What it boils down to is pride and stupidity. People think they suck at snooker because the game is the hardest. They are wrong. They suck at snooker because they suck, period. Whether the game is snooker, billiards, russian pyramid, pool or whatever, is irrelevant. They are all equally difficult.

Why don't you put up a video of yourself doing 15 reds or long blues? Let's see if you can practice what you preach.

How is that relevant?

[Hello, Mr Big Shot]

Is this debate still going on? Big **** just moving topics to hold onto a thread of hope he's right about something, anything. Move to an American pool forum if you want to talk pool.

I'm sorry, but i am the only one who has stayed on topic in this thread.

Narrative and comprehension skills are shockingly bad on this site.

You lot keep straw manning until you get the answer you want.