Aiming/Sighting Consistency

[Hello, Mr Big Shot]

I'm not so alone as you think. Sounds like you yourself are finally seeing the light. There is hope for you yet, lad.

If this was thebilliardsforum circa 1936, there would be hundreds of people piling in on someone daring to suggest snooker is as difficult as billiards, and would be sneering triumphantly at the very suggestion a mere snooker player could ever be a better cueist than Walter lindrum. Show them ronnie o'sullivan in full flight and they would dismiss his game as a mere parlour trick. They KNEW. They couldn't be told.

They would see the issue solely through the prism of their own experience, and be completely ignorant of and indifferent to the viewpoint of others, even when their experience of other games was limited.

What it boils down to is pride and stupidity. People 3think they suck at snooker because the game is the hardest. They are wrong. They suck at snooker because they suck, period. Whether the game is snooker, billiards, russian pyramid, pool or whatever, is irrelevant. They are all equally difficult.

I have previously agreed with you about how 2 different disciplines can be equally hard in their own right . This extends to billiards and Russian pyramid also .

However the bit of your quote in bold , I just thought I'd point out that at the start of joe Davis's book he states that snooker was just a fun game they played inbetween billiard matches for fun and that it was a sensation if anyone ever made a 50 break . . He goes on to say that when he decided to take snooker seriously one of the first things he needed to change was his cue action because his cue action was nowhere near good enough to pot balls consistently . Walter lindrum may well have been different but joe davis goes into great detail about cue action and why he had to change it for snooker .

No serious debate about the greatest ever cueist can exclude walter lindrum.

The point I've been making is all about relativity. Someone who plays a few caroms every now and then may think it's easy and pointless, whilst the player that has really mastered the art will better understand its difficulty. It is tremendously disrespectful to dimiss the skill it takes to play other cue sports, and labelling one as 'easy' is mistaken imo.

Thanks.

[j6uk]

happy new year big pocket

[vmax4steve]

I'm sorry, but i am the only one who has stayed on topic in this thread.

The topic is aiming and sighting consistancy Big Shot, and someone was foolish enough to post a pool video to explain it and then you were foolish enough to try to big up 9 ball as equally hard as snooker on a snooker forum. You're on a hiding to nothing mate, even fast Eddie admits to snooker being the harder game, watch the interview. Cruise learned all his shots in five weeks; now if that had been a snooker film and they wanted to film a total clearance with no editing they'd still be waiting for him now.

[Terry Davidson]

Can someone explain 'straw manning' as it applies in this string. I know what putting up a straw man is but can't relate it to the discussion we're having.

Actually agree with vmax's post just above ^^. They would have put Steve Davis in there wearing a Tom Cruise mask if they wanted a snooker clearance and it would have still taken some time.

[DeanH]

not sure what "straw manning" or even "putting up a straw man" are either?

[Hello, Mr Big Shot]

I'm sorry, but i am the only one who has stayed on topic in this thread.

The topic is aiming and sighting consistancy Big Shot, and someone was foolish enough to post a pool video to explain it and then you were foolish enough to try to big up 9 ball as equally hard as snooker on a snooker forum. You're on a hiding to nothing mate, even fast Eddie admits to snooker being the harder game, watch the interview. Cruise learned all his shots in five weeks; now if that had been a snooker film and they wanted to film a total clearance with no editing they'd still be waiting for him now.

Do you believe everything hollywood tells you?

[Terry Davidson]

Oh my, does Hollywood tell porkie-pies?

[Terry Davidson]

not sure what "straw manning" or even "putting up a straw man" are either?

Putting up a straw man means putting up a fake target for people to take pot shots at. Usually refers to business meetings where there are controversial items on an agenda to keep the discussion away from whatever the company is trying to steer away from.

[Hello, Mr Big Shot]

Byrom wins the thread!

Thank god someone has won this thing. Maybe now it will stop

Terry

it's like a nightmare, isn't it? It just gets worse and worse.

[j6uk]

you love eating that 8ball big pocket

[Hello, Mr Big Shot]

not sure what "straw manning" or even "putting up a straw man" are either?

Putting up a straw man means putting up a fake target for people to take pot shots at. Usually refers to business meetings where there are controversial items on an agenda to keep the discussion away from whatever the company is trying to steer away from.

Lol. Er, what?

No, it refers to logical fallacy. Google is your friend, my friend. You might learn something.

[DeanH]

yep just did that...
I used to be in an Aunt Sally league many years ago, great fun

[Hello, Mr Big Shot]

take this example ... me vs Ronnie O'Sullivan playing a best of 9 frames ... at snooker, I stand zero chance, it'd be 5-0 to Ronnie ... however, at UK 8-ball pool, I can clear the table (sometimes) in a single visit so it would be a lot closer ... so which would Ronnie consider the harder game?

I've beaten a few F1 drivers in indoor go-karting on a night out. Doesn't mean I could take them in the real thing. Sorry DandyA but I think that's a bit of a weak argument

Actually, it's a rather apt analogy. Michael schumacher and lewis hamilton were both karting world champs before they won their F1 titles, i think. Would they say one was more difficult to win than the other? To illustrate this, what if a driver wins an F1 world title, but doesn't win one in karting? Does that make F1 easier than karting?

I would think the regular karter would beat the regular F1 driver at karting, and vice versa, so who is the better driver? It is impossible to say for certain.

This is all about what we perceive as the pinnacle of our chosen sport. As we have seen with the demise of billiards, pinnacles are not set in stone, rather they change with time.

[vmax4steve]

Do you believe everything hollywood tells you?

No CGI in that film Big Shot, they all learned their shots and played with real wooden cues on real 9 ball tables and what they did was realistic enough to pass as game play, especially Cruise's huge break shot, which as you pointed out is the real difference between Van Boening and the snooker boys who have turned to pool, which he is supposed to have taken years to learn

And no I don't believe that Cruise and Newman could beat any top 9 ball player, but they learned enough to take a frame or two, and five weeks is all it took; and Paul Newman was never hollywood, never took a romantic lead role in his life, always played the maverick like Fast Eddie, Butch Cassidy, Hud, Hombre, Cool Hand Luke etc, etc.

I like watching 9 ball, and I never said it was easy, just easier than snooker that's all.

[itsnoteasy]

Shakin it here boss, shakin it here