Cue Action / Stroke

[OmaMiesta]

Enjoyed that video as you remind me of myself at that age, I could pot anything but shot selection and positional play was awful(no offence) I then discovered the joys of E like Leo and the whole of the 90's were a blur but so so good and then my dad became head of the drug squad for the North East of England and I found my snooker cue again.
You have way more talent than I had and I'm looking forward to seeing your next vid Kutgw and have a good Xmas

Haha wow that sounded awesome. E is a hell of a drug... appreciate the kind words and Im sure you were/are quite the player, Merry Xmas!

[OmaMiesta]

if you're cueing straight !!! the spin has no effect on CB to get him slightly offline! (Deflection). That's why throw is important. The less throw, the less deflection ,,,,,, So basically, they are the same. anyway,, I'm sure we'll get some opinions on this one ( OR NOT !!! ). Bed time !!,, good night.

Well the swerve during the deflection usually only occurs over shots of greater distances or shots played at slower speeds using side. The deflection its self is caused by the cue pushing the cue ball to the side (which people wrongfully mistaken this for Throw) but Throw is just the tendency of the object ball to cling to the cue ball for an instant, throwing the shot off line. Merry Xmas

[golferson123]

if you just place ob or cb before any term they can mean what you want

[Hello, Mr Big Shot]

Throw is completely separate to deflection BTW. More precise language is needed to avoid confusion.

Well, this is new to me. Throw is the cause of deflection. So, basically they are the same (as golferson already mentioned). A bit off the topic,, but would you like to explain this, please !!!!

Sure. Deflection (or squirt) is the effect on the CB's path from using side - left hand side deflects the CB to the right, and vice versa. The amount it deflects depends on the end mass of the cue, so a 13mm cue deflects much more than an 8mm cue, for example.

Throw is the effect on the OB's path caused by spin on the CB. Lots of right hand side on the CB will throw the OB to the left, giving a thinner hit. It physically changes the trajectory of the shot. Throw is much less prominent in snooker than in American pool, which is why many snooker players are unaware of it.

The other variable when using side spin is swerve, which all snooker players are aware of.

American pool is a long way ahead of snooker when it comes to explaining the physics attached to how the balls react upon impact. Their effects are clearly defined, but definitions in snooker are less clear, which leads to commentators using vague phrases like 'he can use a bit of side to turn the ball over' or 'some side can make the potting angle'. Here, they are decribing the effects of throw (often in conjunction with swerve).

Check out Dr Dave's youtube pages for further explanations and demonstrations. All free and impartial, whatever some numpties may think.

[pottr]

American pool is a long way ahead of snooker when it comes to explaining the physics attached to how the balls react upon impact. Their effects are clearly defined, but definitions in snooker are less clear, which leads to commentators using vague phrases like 'he can use a bit of side to turn the ball over' or 'some side can make the potting angle'. Here, they are decribing the effects of throw (often in conjunction with swerve).

Hands hold cue - Cue hits white - White his Ball - Ball hits pocket...

Rinse and repeat...

[GeordieDS]

Hands hold cue - Cue hits white - White his Ball - Ball hits pocket...

Rinse and repeat...

Sounds simple but probably even easier if they 'hit' the white

[Hello, Mr Big Shot]

American pool is a long way ahead of snooker when it comes to explaining the physics attached to how the balls react upon impact. Their effects are clearly defined, but definitions in snooker are less clear, which leads to commentators using vague phrases like 'he can use a bit of side to turn the ball over' or 'some side can make the potting angle'. Here, they are decribing the effects of throw (often in conjunction with swerve).

Hands hold cue - Cue hits white - White his Ball - Ball hits pocket...

Rinse and repeat...

Until ball misses pocket and you can't understand why...

There's no need for players to know what happens when the balls collide if they don't want to but they should at least be clear on what they are describing. And if i see someone refer to laminated tips one more time...grrr....they are layered!

[golferson123]

and yet another my way or the highway

[Ramon]

Well the swerve during the deflection usually only occurs over shots of greater distances or shots played at slower speeds using side. The deflection its self is caused by the cue pushing the cue ball to the side (which people wrongfully mistaken this for Throw) but Throw is just the tendency of the object ball to cling to the cue ball for an instant, throwing the shot off line. Merry Xmas

if you are/can cueing straight,, You do'nt push the cue ball to the side. OmaMiesta,, The CB is not human. He has no conscience. He does what you tell him to do. That is why it is important that the cue can transfer exact the amount of spin u giving,, in to the CB.
If this does'nt happenes ,,
The CB may show different behavior. (In this case going Slightly off the line). With further consequences on the OB. (What you and Mr big shot ,,calling as : Throw).
Why do you think many players are looking for the Holy Grail (The cue with low deflection). ???
anyway,, there are always different opinions about this topic.
Thx.... Merry xmas to u too !!

[pottr]

I was referring to when I pay a shot with side, in which case you have to allow for the cue ball to come off the line of the shot a touch.

[Ramon]

Sure. Deflection (or squirt) is the effect on the CB's path from using side - left hand side deflects the CB to the right, and vice versa. The amount it deflects depends on the end mass of the cue, so a 13mm cue deflects much more than an 8mm cue, for example.

Throw is the effect on the OB's path caused by spin on the CB. Lots of right hand side on the CB will throw the OB to the left, giving a thinner hit. It physically changes the trajectory of the shot. Throw is much less prominent in snooker than in American pool, which is why many snooker players are unaware of it.

The other variable when using side spin is swerve, which all snooker players are aware of.

American pool is a long way ahead of snooker when it comes to explaining the physics attached to how the balls react upon impact. Their effects are clearly defined, but definitions in snooker are less clear, which leads to commentators using vague phrases like 'he can use a bit of side to turn the ball over' or 'some side can make the potting angle'. Here, they are decribing the effects of throw (often in conjunction with swerve).

Check out Dr Dave's youtube pages for further explanations and demonstrations. All free and impartial, whatever some numpties may think.

If you give sum spin to CB and you re cueing straight !!!
You do'nt push the CB off the line !!
as I mentioned in my previous post ... CB is not human and has no conscience. He does what you tell him to do!! throw and deflection are the same en dependent on each other !!!
btw,,, you can'nt compare US pool with snooker !!!

[OmaMiesta]

Sure. Deflection (or squirt) is the effect on the CB's path from using side - left hand side deflects the CB to the right, and vice versa. The amount it deflects depends on the end mass of the cue, so a 13mm cue deflects much more than an 8mm cue, for example.

Throw is the effect on the OB's path caused by spin on the CB. Lots of right hand side on the CB will throw the OB to the left, giving a thinner hit. It physically changes the trajectory of the shot. Throw is much less prominent in snooker than in American pool, which is why many snooker players are unaware of it.

The other variable when using side spin is swerve, which all snooker players are aware of.

American pool is a long way ahead of snooker when it comes to explaining the physics attached to how the balls react upon impact. Their effects are clearly defined, but definitions in snooker are less clear, which leads to commentators using vague phrases like 'he can use a bit of side to turn the ball over' or 'some side can make the potting angle'. Here, they are decribing the effects of throw (often in conjunction with swerve).

Check out Dr Dave's youtube pages for further explanations and demonstrations. All free and impartial, whatever some numpties may think.

Yep, pretty much summed up what I was saying. I agree completely.

[OmaMiesta]

if you are/can cueing straight,, You do'nt push the cue ball to the side. OmaMiesta,, The CB is not human. He has no conscience. He does what you tell him to do. That is why it is important that the cue can transfer exact the amount of spin u giving,, in to the CB.
If this does'nt happenes ,,
The CB may show different behavior. (In this case going Slightly off the line). With further consequences on the OB. (What you and Mr big shot ,,calling as : Throw).
Why do you think many players are looking for the Holy Grail (The cue with low deflection). ???
anyway,, there are always different opinions about this topic.
Thx.... Merry xmas to u too !!

Sorry man we clearly have different opinions on this. I dont agree with the cueing straight part, regardless of how straight your cueing, side will push the cue ball due to the force of mass imparted on the cue ball from the cue. You'll often find some "low deflection" cues are hollowed out about 6 inches from the tip. This is so that the cue stick will actually bend slightly upon impact rather then push right through the cue ball (hence greater deflection). That is how low deflection technology works in cues. I think perhaps there is just a confusion in terminology.

[Ramon]

Sorry man we clearly have different opinions on this. I dont agree with the cueing straight part, regardless of how straight your cueing, side will push the cue ball due to the force of mass imparted on the cue ball from the cue. You'll often find some "low deflection" cues are hollowed out about 6 inches from the tip. This is so that the cue stick will actually bend slightly upon impact rather then push right through the cue ball (hence greater deflection). That is how low deflection technology works in cues. I think perhaps there is just a confusion in terminology.

well,, you do'nt have to say sorry. You are entitled to your opinion even if you do'nt agree with me. ( no problem,, this is a forum ). Yes,, I agree with you that a low deflection shaft can be an important factor. But ultimately, the technique of the player is the main !! The cue is just an extension of your arm. Nothing more !!
As I said in my previous post,,, you can not compare US pool with Snooker.
Watch this video: you can see that ROS plays with his snooker cue (ash shaft) from the 2e frame ,, and he plays a lot better. The CB does what you tell it to do.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LexbtZC10s

[Hello, Mr Big Shot]

if you are/can cueing straight,, You do'nt push the cue ball to the side. OmaMiesta,, The CB is not human. He has no conscience. He does what you tell him to do. That is why it is important that the cue can transfer exact the amount of spin u giving,, in to the CB.
If this does'nt happenes ,,
The CB may show different behavior. (In this case going Slightly off the line). With further consequences on the OB. (What you and Mr big shot ,,calling as : Throw).
Why do you think many players are looking for the Holy Grail (The cue with low deflection). ???
anyway,, there are always different opinions about this topic.
Thx.... Merry xmas to u too !!

Sorry man we clearly have different opinions on this. I dont agree with the cueing straight part, regardless of how straight your cueing, side will push the cue ball due to the force of mass imparted on the cue ball from the cue. You'll often find some "low deflection" cues are hollowed out about 6 inches from the tip. This is so that the cue stick will actually bend slightly upon impact rather then push right through the cue ball (hence greater deflection). That is how low deflection technology works in cues. I think perhaps there is just a confusion in terminology.

Exactly and my point precisely. Snooker is a long way behind pool in terms of describing what is happening when the balls collide and is missing a trick.