Cue Action / Stroke

[vmax4steve]

American pool is a long way ahead of snooker when it comes to explaining the physics attached to how the balls react upon impact.

Check out Dr Dave's youtube pages for further explanations and demonstrations. All free and impartial, whatever some numpties may think.

Bigging up 9 ball again Mr Big Shot. This numpty was watching a little Mosconi Cup this afternoon and it was laughable just how far up the cushion the ob can hit and still make the pocket. Probably don't need to allow for any deflection or swerve with pockets that size, no such thing as a straight shot with pockets that size.

I'd like to see Dr. Dave on a snooker table applying his theories of transmitted side, squirt, tip end mass and the rest of the bollocks he preaches trying to pot a red an inch from the cushion ten feet away from a corner pocket that's only 3.5 inches wide at the fall of the slate.

It would be an epic on the scale of Gone With The Wind and I can hear him saying right now, "Well, tomorow is another day".

[Hello, Mr Big Shot]

Sure. Deflection (or squirt) is the effect on the CB's path from using side - left hand side deflects the CB to the right, and vice versa. The amount it deflects depends on the end mass of the cue, so a 13mm cue deflects much more than an 8mm cue, for example.

Throw is the effect on the OB's path caused by spin on the CB. Lots of right hand side on the CB will throw the OB to the left, giving a thinner hit. It physically changes the trajectory of the shot. Throw is much less prominent in snooker than in American pool, which is why many snooker players are unaware of it.

The other variable when using side spin is swerve, which all snooker players are aware of.

American pool is a long way ahead of snooker when it comes to explaining the physics attached to how the balls react upon impact. Their effects are clearly defined, but definitions in snooker are less clear, which leads to commentators using vague phrases like 'he can use a bit of side to turn the ball over' or 'some side can make the potting angle'. Here, they are decribing the effects of throw (often in conjunction with swerve).

Check out Dr Dave's youtube pages for further explanations and demonstrations. All free and impartial, whatever some numpties may think.

If you give sum spin to CB and you re cueing straight !!!
You do'nt push the CB off the line !!
as I mentioned in my previous post ... CB is not human and has no conscience. He does what you tell him to do!! throw and deflection are the same en dependent on each other !!!
btw,,, you can'nt compare US pool with snooker !!!

Er, you can. Same principles apply, albeit the effects of throw and deflection are lesser in snooker because of smaller balls, different cloth and smaller cues, but they are still there. ALL cues deflect the CB and EVERY shot with angle throws the OB. Over time our brains and eyes become trained to factor this in to every shot, which is why they are not always apparent.

Throw and deflection are not the same thing, it's just many snooker players confuse the terms and use both words to describe the same thing. Read my descriptions in the posts above for the difference between them. Incidentally, this isn't opinion, it is cold, hard fact, demonstrated by experiment and testimony of millions of players. To deny deflection and/or throw is akin to denying screw makes the ball go backwards and top makes it goes forwards.

[Hello, Mr Big Shot]

American pool is a long way ahead of snooker when it comes to explaining the physics attached to how the balls react upon impact.

Check out Dr Dave's youtube pages for further explanations and demonstrations. All free and impartial, whatever some numpties may think.

Bigging up 9 ball again Mr Big Shot. This numpty was watching a little Mosconi Cup this afternoon and it was laughable just how far up the cushion the ob can hit and still make the pocket. Probably don't need to allow for any deflection or swerve with pockets that size, no such thing as a straight shot with pockets that size.

I'd like to see Dr. Dave on a snooker table applying his theories of transmitted side, squirt, tip end mass and the rest of the bollocks he preaches trying to pot a red an inch from the cushion ten feet away from a corner pocket that's only 3.5 inches wide at the fall of the slate.

It would be an epic on the scale of Gone With The Wind and I can hear him saying right now, "Well, tomorow is another day".

They are not 'theories'. They are facts. You are free to become a physics professor and set up your own experiments to disprove the 'bollocks he preaches' if you wish, but i suspect we'll have a long wait, for a variety of reasons...

How is your theory that dr dave is being paid by LD shaft manufacturers coming along? Or your theory that some cues can deflect by as much as whole whopping half an inch? Or your theory it is swerve that causes cut induced throw?


Have you got any more? I could do with a laugh.

I fully agree with you about the MC tables, however. As 9 ball is so easy, I'm sure a player of your undoubted ability could clean up on the laughably easy tables on GB9, just like all the other former snooker players, er, haven't managed to do. Even ronnie took a year out to play IPA 8 ball for its riches and got nowhere. Quinten Hann beat him if I'm not mistaken.

More to american pool than big bags, lad.

[Ramon]

Er, you can. Same principles apply, albeit the effects of throw and deflection are lesser in snooker because of smaller balls, different cloth and smaller cues, but they are still there. ALL cues deflect the CB and EVERY shot with angle throws the OB. Over time our brains and eyes become trained to factor this in to every shot, which is why they are not always apparent.

Throw and deflection are not the same thing, it's just many snooker players confuse the terms and use both words to describe the same thing. Read my descriptions in the posts above for the difference between them. Incidentally, this isn't opinion, it is cold, hard fact, demonstrated by experiment and testimony of millions of players. To deny deflection and/or throw is akin to denying screw makes the ball go backwards and top makes it goes forwards.

agree with 1e part !!! There is no angel when you cueing straight !! Yes there is sum deflection in every cue. But you can control that,, with your technique.
are you saying that we have a CB that by itself can make a decisions and does what ever he wants.??? Is this your theory ??
have u seen the video in my previous post.?? OR Are you saying that ROS can'nt play and he was just Lucky in that match ??
Which one is it ??

[Hello, Mr Big Shot]

Er, you can. Same principles apply, albeit the effects of throw and deflection are lesser in snooker because of smaller balls, different cloth and smaller cues, but they are still there. ALL cues deflect the CB and EVERY shot with angle throws the OB. Over time our brains and eyes become trained to factor this in to every shot, which is why they are not always apparent.

Throw and deflection are not the same thing, it's just many snooker players confuse the terms and use both words to describe the same thing. Read my descriptions in the posts above for the difference between them. Incidentally, this isn't opinion, it is cold, hard fact, demonstrated by experiment and testimony of millions of players. To deny deflection and/or throw is akin to denying screw makes the ball go backwards and top makes it goes forwards.

agree with 1e part !!! There is no angel when you cueing straight !! Yes there is sum deflection in every cue. But you can control that,, with your technique.
are you saying that we have a CB that by itself can make a decisions and does what ever he wants.??? Is this your theory ??
have u seen the video in my previous post.?? OR Are you saying that ROS can'nt play and he was just Lucky in that match ??
Which one is it ??

Neither.

Ronnie has been blessed with a god given talent and that talent has been honed by thousands of hours at the practice table. For those of us without the luxury of time or talent, knowing exactly what is happening to the balls can be useful, and cut learning times down dramatically. To know WHY we miss a particular shot is a good thing. There is no point in ronnie learning the physics of the game because it cannot possibly help his game, but there are many other who would benefit from it.

Oh, and again, these are not 'theories'. They are facts, borne out by peer reviewed experiment and testimony. Not noticing something does not mean it isn't happening...

[Ramon]

Neither.

Ronnie has been blessed with a god given talent and that talent has been honed by thousands of hours at the practice table. For those of us without the luxury of time or talent, knowing exactly what is happening to the balls can be useful, and cut learning times down dramatically. To know WHY we miss a particular shot is a good thing. There is no point in ronnie learning the physics of the game because it cannot possibly help his game, but there are many other who would benefit from it.

Oh, and again, these are not 'theories'. They are facts, borne out by peer reviewed experiment and testimony. Not noticing something does not mean it isn't happening...

good post,, as you say 1000 hours practice. (Because talent alone is not enough).
I agree with you that in reality are not many players who can always do 100 percent straight cueing. So this information can indeed be usevol. But one thing I know for sure : the day that a player thinks, I can not play properly due to low deflection Or my cue,, will be the day that his game will never improve. And that is the only Fact that exists !!!

[OmaMiesta]

Hey guys, for anyone that wanted to see another amateur break. Would appreciate the feedback https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIGARkKnIN4

[j6uk]

Hey guys, for anyone that wanted to see another amateur break. Would appreciate the feedback https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIGARkKnIN4

bit painful to watch but be interested to see what your doing next christmas

[Byrom]

I like the video editing - cool

[jrc750]

Never in position

[j6uk]

your easy to please b

I like the video editing - cool

[j6uk]

thats what makes him so exciting

Never in position

[lesedwards]

bit painful to watch but be interested to see what your doing next christmas

I'm with you. Never in position but seems to be able to pot everything. When his positional play improves he will be hard to beat. Great to have that weapon in your back pocket when you do get out of position. Even the greatest players get out of position but they have the ability to make a great pot to keep a break going. I understand the positional play but miss too many pots that's why I have gone back to my Snooker Gym and started from the beginning. It's coming now but I am sticking with it this time. Nic Barrow knows his stuff.

[Byrom]

Just think what this guy will do when he does learn better position? - if he just learns to stun up and down centre white properly play the delicate stuff and play for the right line or gets a good sparring partner with an old head and learn off them to play the right shot and map the table better - you will come on ten fold if you played against someone else really good and just watched what they do with the white ask a few questions - watch more pro snooker - imitate a few shots - get an education - are there no ex pro types to spar with around there? Kirk Stevens? Cliff Thorburn? Jim Wyche? Les Edwards

Keep it up - I will be interested to see your progress next year too - you seem keen - snooker - dedication - a straight cuing style a good eye for the ball - level headed - you well on your way

[j6uk]

I'm with you. Never in position but seems to be able to pot everything. When his positional play improves he will be hard to beat. Great to have that weapon in your back pocket when you do get out of position. Even the greatest players get out of position but they have the ability to make a great pot to keep a break going. I understand the positional play but miss too many pots that's why I have gone back to my Snooker Gym and started from the beginning. It's coming now but I am sticking with it this time. Nic Barrow knows his stuff.

i'll give you a benny hill slap from nic for that plug