The Les Edwards Snooker Challenge Thread

[j6uk]

what you learning playing 10 little screw shots? and whats the last angle you want on a black in realtime play?

[jrc750]

what you learning playing 10 little screw shots? and whats the last angle you want on a black in realtime play?

Look sugar, Ted set the routine, if you don't like it, talk to him
Doing it the "wrong"way (in your opinion) you still have to keep control of the white in order to pot a decent number of blacks, surely that has to help a new player ?? you can't just whack away, you would be lucky to pot 3 blacks that way, you learn to control the pace, know when to run through instead of going for one more screw shot, etc etc etc

[j6uk]

its moronic, no offence and helps nothing

Look sugar, Ted set the routine, if you don't like it, talk to him
Doing it the "wrong"way (in your opinion) you still have to keep control of the white in order to pot a decent number of blacks, surely that has to help a new player ?? you can't just whack away, you would be lucky to pot 3 blacks that way, you learn to control the pace, know when to run through instead of going for one more screw shot, etc etc etc

[tedisbill]

Well, I've only just read this and I have to say I'm with J6 here.

You've got to learn to move the white about properly. Absolutely no point just playing 6 little screw shots in a row. That's a bit like people who do the line-up, and then start by potting 7 reds and blues in the middle bags.

I must admit though jrc, I wasn't completely clear. Think most people got the idea though.

[lesedwards]

Well, I've only just read this and I have to say I'm with J6 here.

You've got to learn to move the white about properly. Absolutely no point just playing 6 little screw shots in a row. That's a bit like people who do the line-up, and then start by potting 7 reds and blues in the middle bags.

I must admit though jrc, I wasn't completely clear. Think most people got the idea though.

Okay Ted I was going about it what I thought was the proper way by starting with a stun off the cushion. So I am on the right track 13 to this point back at it tomorrow.

[j6uk]

on ones fault and i wasn't trying to be hard on our jr, i know he only pops his five star snookerhead around the door to the coaching suite once in a while, but i just expected he'd be up to speed with the basics of the classic black routine

[jrc750]

on ones fault and i wasn't trying to be hard on our jr, i know he only pops his five star snookerhead around the door to the coaching suite once in a while, but i just expected he'd be up to speed with the basics of the classic black routine

My five star head was just looking for the easy option that's all

[Leo]

I can see where JRC was coming from, this pot blacks off the spot was simply a challenge set up for the likes of Les to see how many he can pot, even little screw shots will not always be perfect and will create an angle. I will be very surprised if we get a video off Les achieving 50 blacks off the spot doing it this way. Just my opinion.

[j6uk]

to back up this jr fopar is laughable and speaks volumes

I can see where JRC was coming from, this pot blacks off the spot was simply a challenge set up for the likes of Les to see how many he can pot, even little screw shots will not always be perfect and will create an angle. I will be very surprised if we get a video off Les achieving 50 blacks off the spot doing it this way. Just my opinion.

[jrc750]

to back up this jr fopar is laughable and speaks volumes

You really are hard work

[Leo]

to back up this jr fopar is laughable and speaks volumes

I don't back any sisters up on here sugar, I'm only saying that with Les I think the basic black into the pocket will do at the moment and then maybe if he achieves this then move on to making the black pot harder.

[sealer]

I am with j6 on this one. It seems like some people never did the black routine. I guess if you want to clock pots and your pocket are big enough and your action is precise that you could never get an angle starting with a straight screw back. I am a beginner but the black routine is really opening my eyes. It can teach you so much so why would you just try to do couple of soft screws back? It is all about getting an angle, be it stun of the top cushion, screw with side of the 2 cushions, top to bounce on the other side, possibilities are endless. Even when you are straight what you should do is either try to force it like j6 suggests or just simply screw back of the cushion so you are on a nice angle again. Try to do it and then you understand what they mean when they say that Ronnies game is an art. I do not know if that is what he does but I would expect all his shots to be a mix of a pace, spot on the white in all axes, acceleration or lack of it, punch or smoothly through. It is like a trance when you can get it right. You can just feel what to do to get where you want to be.

I have maybe spend about 30h over 2 years on it. Mostly because my potting wasn't reliable. Once your potting is better than it is the routine to do. It is the big one. When you get the hang of it everything opens up and when you are on the brake in a frame you just clock around that area again but with reds this time leaving yourself nice angles on the black and you simply fancy those shots because you have perfected them on the black routine. Just give it a go and see your game being taken onto the next level.

Cheers

[Leo]

I am with j6 on this one. It seems like some people never did the black routine. I guess if you want to clock pots and your pocket are big enough and your action is precise that you could never get an angle starting with a straight screw back. I am a beginner but the black routine is really opening my eyes. It can teach you so much so why would you just try to do couple of soft screws back? It is all about getting an angle, be it stun of the top cushion, screw with side of the 2 cushions, top to bounce on the other side, possibilities are endless. Even when you are straight what you should do is either try to force it like j6 suggests or just simply screw back of the cushion so you are on a nice angle again. Try to do it and then you understand what they mean when they say that Ronnies game is an art. I do not know if that is what he does but I would expect all his shots to be a mix of a pace, spot on the white in all axes, acceleration or lack of it, punch or smoothly through. It is like a trance when you can get it right. You can just feel what to do to get where you want to be.

I have maybe spend about 30h over 2 years on it. Mostly because my potting wasn't reliable. Once your potting is better than it is the routine to do. It is the big one. When you get the hang of it everything opens up and when you are on the brake in a frame you just clock around that area again but with reds this time leaving yourself nice angles on the black and you simply fancy those shots because you have perfected them on the black routine. Just give it a go and see your game being taken onto the next level.

Cheers

Think people are completely missing the point, what J6 is suggesting is great for the more advanced player who will automatically bring this into their game, but for the lesser player can't see how this is going to help tbh. Anyway over and out.

[jrc750]

Think people are completely missing the point, what J6 is suggesting is great for the more advanced player who will automatically bring this into their game, but for the lesser player can't see how this is going to help tbh. Anyway over and out.

Exactly right.
And I'm not saying I dont do Sister J's routine, i was just advising how to complete the task set by Ted, no one said you had to use cushions, J needs to chill his beans and stop being an argumentative sod

[lesedwards]

I can see where JRC was coming from, this pot blacks off the spot was simply a challenge set up for the likes of Les to see how many he can pot, even little screw shots will not always be perfect and will create an angle. I will be very surprised if we get a video off Les achieving 50 blacks off the spot doing it this way. Just my opinion.

You can see by the above comments Leo does no have much faith in me. I will be working hard to achieve my best. I will post some videos and you guys can cut me up. I agree Leo 50 could be out of reach. But I will put a little challenge on this one. If I post a video with me potting 50 at some point this week then I want to see you and the rest of the chatter boxes potting 50. This is a very good routine but also a very tough one.