The Les Edwards Snooker Challenge Thread

[lesedwards]

Les if i may say something here !! , coaching is not about love!! Is all about discipline!! Sometimes you need someone who'll kik ur ass !! ( sorry to say so ) Doesn't sound nice, but finally it works!! the result is the most important!! and that's what J6 does here. You might not like it. but that's for your best. his intention is not to take you down. You can take that advice along with advice from other members and make a something good of it. Anyway,, I wish you luck and enjoy ur game!! Try to enjoy ur game !!!

Thanks Ramon, I am enjoying myself and I am also seeing some improvement.

[DandyA]

You don't have a clue how to talk to people do you

you might not think so but that might be something to do with my key board, but i always thought we got on quite well
i would not of been able to rack up 3,500 post if i was as you say a complete so** Wa88 Sh8t c***. and i have never called you o anyone anything of the sort

j6, where and when did jrc describe you as that? by the way, there's good news and bad news - the good news is I quoted you verbatim LOL - the bad news is swear words in any form (explicit, implicit, starred, abbreviated etc) are against forum rules and risk a ban ...

[DandyA]

Come on guys be nice, this thread suppose to be for those who want to improve and develop their game.

Let's get back on track

I think this is one of the best threads ever ... a bit like the book "Zen and the art of Motorcyle Maintenance" except in this case there's interesting coaching advice coupled with how the students get on all intertwined with a massive fight that I hear the makers of "World of Warcraft" are considering basing their next game on

[GeordieDS]

It's been a great thread and can continue to be just it doesn't need the nastiness,it's great when people help but if it was an easy game then there would be no need for these threads so there's no point in getting frustrated if people aren't improving as quick as they should be(however quick that is because I've been stuck in first gear for thirty years)

GL Les and remember you can only do your best

[j6uk]

yes no one who's ever put the time in to really learn this game likes to see another player struggling with there footing on that well worn trail.
but lesley has improved no doubt and hes in safe hands. iv encouraged les to do many things and all of them hes done more or less so, more power to him. he knows where the meat is on tsf bones..

I see a lot of passion.

I genuinely think J6 is trying to help Les. And is encouraging him to learn how to play blacks pots so that the white stuns/screws off cushions etc... to get to learn when to play the right shot in the right circumstances. It's a very valid exercise. One I will be doing a lot myself.

On the other hand I think he gets frustrated with others attempt to dumb down that advice. I also think he gets a tad frustrated at Les because he believes he doesn't focus and commits when he practices.

I think the advice is sound. I do believe it could be communicated a tad better.

I would also welcome some of the better players on this forum to video some of these challenges and sort of talk us through the positional play aspects. I for one would learn a lot.

Far as I know, J6/vmax/and Terry, give their advice here on the coaching section. And they do that already for a long time!! My concern is not whether a player can potts a few balls or not!! but his attitude!! and the way that he looks at the game!! Some players play snooker just as they drink a glass of wine. You don't see any tension in their cue action and body. Total relax!! and no effort!! There are also players who actually can pot a few balls but they just like a Robat!! that says something about the level of the player!! I saw the movie of J6 in other thread, and imo, he is an experienced
snooker player. I do'nt know him.. is just my opinion.The point is, he wants to help. Is nothing wrong with that !! I love the way he looks at the game !!
BTW,,,, as for the blackspot practice!! I heard from a coach, useing cutions is the intention. You have to learn to keep the CB in the area of Black spot and without useing Cutions is impossible keep doing that and let urself a good position each time !! I did it ones!! my highest record was 2 times!!!
anyway ,,,, thanks to J6 / Vmax / Terry and also other members . Hopefully we can learn something !!!

[j6uk]

im not sure how much activity or interest there would be but i too would be happy to do some video tips that would outline my overall approach. this would also involve some of my table grid work.
any genuine suggestions would be considered and appriciated

[pottr]

Ok, last night I tried to create a video on my own and I really have nowhere to mount a camera so that it will give me a decent view of the table.

I had a bash at the blacks routine and not to sound arrogant, I pretty much carried on indefinitely until I made myself play with extreme side to give myself some challenge... Even then I ran a good 20 odd with what I call 'silly side'.

I did spot some patterns though that might help lesser players and some simple advice they could take on board.

[j6uk]

sounds like you were trying to tick tock form one side of the table to the other of the back cush

Ok, last night I tried to create a video on my own and I really have nowhere to mount a camera so that it will give me a decent view of the table.

I had a bash at the blacks routine and not to sound arrogant, I pretty much carried on indefinitely until I made myself play with extreme side to give myself some challenge... Even then I ran a good 20 odd with what I call 'silly side'.

I did spot some patterns though that might help lesser players and some simple advice they could take on board.

[pottr]

I started off all serious, high black and one cushion, then two cushion, then follow throw off one or two and then to repeat the sequence...

After about ten minutes of having the white on a shoe string I got pissed off and started sending the white in and out of baulk and managed 4 in a row before I lost the white entirely.

Was genuinely giggling at myself... simple mind.

I agree though with your point from yesterday... doing the routine with 30/40 mini screw backs is pointless

[lesedwards]

Ok, last night I tried to create a video on my own and I really have nowhere to mount a camera so that it will give me a decent view of the table.

I had a bash at the blacks routine and not to sound arrogant, I pretty much carried on indefinitely until I made myself play with extreme side to give myself some challenge... Even then I ran a good 20 odd with what I call 'silly side'.

I did spot some patterns though that might help lesser players and some simple advice they could take on board.

Too bad no video, am I making this tougher then it is? I would love to see video from anyone that finds this routine simple. J6, Pottr, Terry. I will post a video tonight so you can see how I struggle then hope to get some knowlagable response. I also have my son coming over to play so I might post another game and you can compare to the last time we played.

[pottr]

Probably...

I imagine what you're doing is concentrating like mad to get a good angle on the black..? What this routine teaches you is that it's more important to keep the cue ball at the correct distance from the side cushion.

[j6uk]

the moment a player takes a shot for granted things go wrong so id give every ball due care and attention, even or especially if its over the hole cus its about good position for the next.
the routine becomes more comfortable when you start recognizing the patterns, angles on the black and points high and low on the white for good position on the next black. then theres the touch and feel of these shots in the scoring zone so as to keep your hand on the table, but if you gotta play from the cushion to play a power run through off two cushions then so be it. if you miss keep playing it till you got that one shot under the nut sack, then move on

Too bad no video, am I making this tougher then it is? I would love to see video from anyone that finds this routine simple. J6, Pottr, Terry. I will post a video tonight so you can see how I struggle then hope to get some knowlagable response. I also have my son coming over to play so I might post another game and you can compare to the last time we played.

[lesedwards]

Probably...

I imagine what you're doing is concentrating like mad to get a good angle on the black..? What this routine teaches you is that it's more important to keep the cue ball at the correct distance from the side cushion.

I am not really sure what is going on. I know the main thing I am trying to do is keep the white above the black and off the cushion. I find a lot of the times I will stun off the cushion and leave it low on the black or I wont get the right angle and leave me with a sharp angle and then the next thing I find the white 3/4 the way up to the blue. I might have time to post a quick video this morning. HELP! I would really like to see a video of someone that knows what they are doing.

[lesedwards]

the moment a player takes a shot for granted things go wrong so id give every ball due care and attention, even or especially if its over the hole cus its about good position for the next.
the routine becomes more comfortable when you start recognizing the patterns, angles on the black and points high and low on the white for good position on the next black. then theres the touch and feel of these shots in the scoring zone so as to keep your hand on the table, but if you gotta play from the cushion to play a power run through off two cushions then so be it. if you miss keep playing it till you got that one shot under the nut sack, then move on

Thanks J6 you might have hit the nail on the head. Taking shots for granted could be my problem as I think I am still getting down on the shot before I make a plan of where I am going with the white. ITS NOT THAT I CANNOT MAKE THE POT ITS THE FACT MY BRAIN IS TELLING MY CUE ARM NOTHING SO IT JUST SWINGS AT IT AND SOMETIMES ITS RIGHT AND SOMETIMES ITS WRONG. Maybe I need my little disk back out to make myself pick a spot and play to it.

[lesedwards]

You guys are going to think I am crazy but I want to give you something to think about. The other night when I was just warming up I was playing blacks from one spot but keeping in mind where I wanted the cue ball. With the CB at the same distance from the rail as the black I could hit the CB just below Center off one cushion for a perfect blue or I could hit just above Center off one cushion for a perfect pink or I could screw up for a pink from the same side or I could stun up for a pink from the other sude or stun up for a blue or I could hit high on the cue ball to go two cushions for a blue from the same side all from one CB starting position. Why can my brain not function the same way when I am actually playing a game or routine?