The Les Edwards Snooker Challenge Thread

[j6uk]

i don't think you've seen all of badis work. he cleared 4x4 reds and blacks while always landing high on the black and hes screwing the white into the corner off long blues. form what iv seen of you so far your way off that standard
stop the gas and get to work, don't let me into your head let me into your game

J6 I really don't think so. I think you do this just to push to be better or at least that's what I get from you. There is no negativity left in me and I am not about to let you in to my mind. Alabadi just ran 4 and I ran 5. I played one game against myself tonight and ran five reds with five blacks. Really getting the feel now. My game is coming together just in time for my new case which arrives this week from The Snooker Warrior.

[j6uk]

if you believe the clueless who can't play then you'll stay in wonder land

Great Post. I could not have said it better.

[DandyA]

please don't give up tedisbill - I think your challenges are spot-on and Les (and others) are clearly enjoying them and looking forward to next Sunday's one ... without naming names, there's also clearly a lot of nay-sayers who are saying they are too easy or Les should be doing this or that but that's simply the snooker keyboard warriors ...

until such time as there is an official syllabus for snooker students, you are the best we have so keep up the good work ... in comparison, English Billiards does offer a syllabus via the great website www.EnglishBilliards.org but I'm not aware of a snooker equivalent ... the only training I know in snooker is for coaches (not students) and cynics might say all that that entails is the would-be coach pays his/her money and gets accredited as a coach ...

I might be wrong ... is there an official course for snooker students and if not, why not? I would imagine it should be the responsibility of the IBSF ... remember that World Snooker, the WPBSA, is specifically a club for professional players so has no responsibilities for the amateur game or students wishing to improve ...

Great Post. I could not have said it better.

if you believe the clueless who can't play then you'll stay in wonder land

j6, I assume you're referring to my post (quoted above) ... I'm not trying to be argumentative but I'd like to know which parts of it you disagree with and why?

[guernseygooner]

j6, I assume you're referring to my post (quoted above) ... I'm not trying to be argumentative but I'd like to know which parts of it you disagree with and why?

I don't think there are snooker keyboard warriors but more than not the written word comes across differently to how it would come across face to face.

I tried to make a point earlier that there was no Internet when I started and I was doing these routines. I didn't need anyone telling me when or how to do them because I put the graft in. I can't speak for people like J6 or others but it is annoying to people of a better standard to see now that people think they can complete a few routines, move on and think they will soon be knocking in fifties.

People like Les and to an extent alabadi after seeing his videos, are not going to make any sort of rapid progress as they are not playing enough against decent players. It is the only way - you need your ass kicked numerous times and after its been kicked you hit the table to practice what you have just witnessed and learnt.

Now people think that moving a finger here or moving a foot a couple of inches there is the missing 'secret' to them cracking the game. Anyway, its not a rant, it's a great site with lots of handy info but I'm glad it wasn't around when I started playing!

[itsnoteasy]

well the reds with blues have given me a headache, i've only managed it twice a round the third time landed too high on the blue so could only pot the blue and had not much chance of getting anywhere good on the next red.

what i am finding is i'm landing straight on the blue more times than i want to remember. the margin is so small where being ideal is a couple of inches high to have a 3/4 blue.

this really pi**** me off because its one extra roll that was the difference. i spent an hour until i gave up. i'll give it another goo in a couple of days and see if i can better my efforts

I found I was out of position a lot Alabadi, so I stuck the blue in the top bag if I was to low, if I was just to low I just rolled it in then stunned the red into the bottom bag and held for the blue into the top bag, this is why I said I felt I was cheating .
one thing I found that saved me a couple of times when a bit high on the blue was, say I had the blue into the green side pocket I would just plop it in and run down for the red on the green side back into the yellow bottom bag, that gave me some sort of shot to go back up for the blue, took me a while to see this as at the start I was a bit obsessed with getting back into the middle of the table above both reds, it won't work on all high angles obviously but it's worth trying it, even if it just gets you another blue and red, it's a mini step forward lol.

[alabadi]

I found I was out of position a lot Alabadi, so I stuck the blue in the top bag if I was to low, if I was just to low I just rolled it in then stunned the red into the bottom bag and held for the blue into the top bag, this is why I said I felt I was cheating .
one thing I found that saved me a couple of times when a bit high on the blue was, say I had the blue into the green side pocket I would just plop it in and run down for the red on the green side back into the yellow bottom bag, that gave me some sort of shot to go back up for the blue, took me a while to see this as at the start I was a bit obsessed with getting back into the middle of the table above both reds, it won't work on all high angles obviously but it's worth trying it, even if it just gets you another blue and red, it's a mini step forward lol.

I didn't want to do what you were doing, although on a few occasions when I was too high if I had at least some angle I stunned it into one of the top bags.

I am using this exercise to mimic a game where I want to finish just a couple of inches high on the blue coming off the cushion and then stunning back up. I think there is a video somewhere of Stephen Lee doing something similar with 4 reds.

I'm using it as a break building exercise to get use to good positional play rather than loosing the white all the time.

don't get me wrong I can long blues into the bottom or top bags when I get it wrong, however I am trying not to do that, and sometimes when I do finish too high or too low I reset it, just to stop the sloppiness and make me work harder and get more discipline.

[cyberheater]

there is a video somewhere of Stephen Lee doing something similar with 4 reds.

Here you go.

I found I was out of position a lot Alabadi, so I stuck the blue in the top bag if I was to low, if I was just to low I just rolled it in then stunned the red into the bottom bag and held for the blue into the top bag, this is why I said I felt I was cheating .

According to this Stephen Lee video. Ronnie deliberately plays this exercise to come off a red and pot the blue into a top bag as that shot comes up a lot.

[itsnoteasy]

I didn't want to do what you were doing, although on a few occasions when I was too high if I had at least some angle I stunned it into one of the top bags.

I am using this exercise to mimic a game where I want to finish just a couple of inches high on the blue coming off the cushion and then stunning back up. I think there is a video somewhere of Stephen Lee doing something similar with 4 reds.

I'm using it as a break building exercise to get use to good positional play rather than loosing the white all the time.

don't get me wrong I can long blues into the bottom or top bags when I get it wrong, however I am trying not to do that, and sometimes when I do finish too high or too low I reset it, just to stop the sloppiness and make me work harder and get more discipline.

Nah your right it's against the spirit of the exercise to play into the top or bottom bags, but you would do it without thinking in a game.

[alabadi]

Here you go.

According to this Stephen Lee video. Ronnie deliberately plays this exercise to come off a red and pot the blue into a top bag as that shot comes up a lot.

yes I have seen this video, its very good, I think when he was saying its a good idea to practice potting into the bottom bags because this shot comes up quite a lot.

its a good shot to have in ones armour, but I think if given the choice one would try and get high on the blue to come back to the black ball area. and this shot to pot into the bottom bag is when you don't have that choice or fall short

[cyberheater]

yes I have seen this video, its very good, I think when he was saying its a good idea to practice potting into the bottom bags because this shot comes up quite a lot.

its a good shot to have in ones armour, but I think if given the choice one would try and get high on the blue to come back to the black ball area. and this shot to pot into the bottom bag is when you don't have that choice or fall short

Yes. Stephen says there are 3 variations.

1. Using cushions to get on the blue.
2. Using stuns to get on the blue. No cushions at all.
3. The Ronnie way. Potting blues into top bags.

[alabadi]

Yes. Stephen says there are 3 variations.

1. Using cushions to get on the blue.
2. Using stuns to get on the blue. No cushions at all.
3. The Ronnie way. Potting blues into top bags.

I've been practicing number 1

[lesedwards]

I've been practicing number 1

Yes I have been doing the same. Are using any side on the cue ball to help it off the cushion? I tried it with side and it really works but hard to know how much it is going to jump off the cushion.

[Terry Davidson]

Yes I have been doing the same. Are using any side on the cue ball to help it off the cushion? I tried it with side and it really works but hard to know how much it is going to jump off the cushion.

You'll have to practice using the side to get used to the amount. Most players starting to learn about side will use too much, it doesn't take a lot.

[GeordieDS]

j6, I assume you're referring to my post (quoted above) ... I'm not trying to be argumentative but I'd like to know which parts of it you disagree with and why?

It would appear he is getting upset with all the attention Les is receiving and needs a little tlc



Edit: from a snooker perspective i can understand where he is coming from as it would appear this thread is counterproductive for Les's progress as he is becoming obsessed, he has a master coach and in my humble opinion he should be listening to him and him only until he is regularly knocking in 50/60+ breaks and then come back to this thread and start with the various routines.

He isn't going to listen of course and from this stems frustration, i'm not sure how Terry feels when he reads this thread but if it was me i'd have torn my hair out.

[alabadi]

Yes I have been doing the same. Are using any side on the cue ball to help it off the cushion? I tried it with side and it really works but hard to know how much it is going to jump off the cushion.

No not really, you can get position without side. I've found if you use side you have to be careful because hitting the shot slightly too hard or with too much side can skid off the cushion and you find yourself too high.

I can get perfect position without the use of side