Plain ball all the time - nonsense

[Alba_]

I can't bite my tongue any longer....

Is there something in the water over in Canada? There is always some debate on here were Terry and LB are always preaching this or that. I have seen videos of Terry playing and he could not hit a cow on the arse with a banjo and claims he has had 147s with that horrible jab cue action?? Getting 20 is an effort from what i have seen so how can he teach others if he can't do it himself. No wonder Les is stuck until bill gave him some guidance. Then we have LB who is trying to kid us on he is a 130 break player. Did he forget he has a video of himself playing and has a 3 page essay about this 48 break and a video walk though shot by shot of this break and not a peep about the 130 break.Guys i'm not meaning to be a bad yin but give it a rest. There are way better and more experienced people to learn from on here but you pair always make a big palava about how things should be done and how others are wrong. You call yourself coaches at your own accord so from now on address me as Prince Alba if we are giving ourselves silly titles.

[j6uk]

being ordained as a master coach costs bundles of fresh back drawn that you'd struggle to jam in your sky rockets

[jrc750]

I can't bite my tongue any longer....

Is there something in the water over in Canada? There is always some debate on here were Terry and LB are always preaching this or that. I have seen videos of Terry playing and he could not hit a cow on the arse with a banjo and claims he has had 147s with that horrible jab cue action?? Getting 20 is an effort from what i have seen so how can he teach others if he can't do it himself. No wonder Les is stuck until bill gave him some guidance. Then we have LB who is trying to kid us on he is a 130 break player. Did he forget he has a video of himself playing and has a 3 page essay about this 48 break and a video walk though shot by shot of this break and not a peep about the 130 break.Guys i'm not meaning to be a bad yin but give it a rest. There are way better and more experienced people to learn from on here but you pair always make a big palava about how things should be done and how others are wrong. You call yourself coaches at your own accord so from now on address me as Prince Alba if we are giving ourselves silly titles.

Kinda what i was thinking but don't like to stir things up
How can Mr Bomber call himself a coach when he hasn't done any course !!! (as far as i'm aware)
And if this 134 break is genuine i would like to see a video of him playing now, as when we saw that century on the oversized pool table, he looked shocking in my opinion, not a hope in hell of achieving that break on a full size table

[golferson123]

calm down lads, don't know about lb but terry has served his time he's 60+ so what do you expect. but knowledge is free of age and he gives it freely

[itsnoteasy]

I don't know about LB as I have only seen him play on the pool table, but Terry is a different story, yes he may struggle now, and he's the first to admit he's nowhere near the player he was, but there are pros in Scotland that Chris Small knows that Terry used to spar with and I'm sure Pottr knows folk that got a good spanking from Terry back in the day, so I think it's harsh to judge what you see now, can't comment on any 147s or things like that and yes it looks hard to beleive now and I don't understand how you forget to cue nicely even after years away, but you have to accept the facts ,that some very good players have said Terry was a very good player, so surely that's enough evidence for anyone.

[Terry Davidson]

Thanks for the support and to Alba...who yanked your chain?

As the saying goes 'I'm not the man I once was but I am the man I was once'. My record, such that it is, speaks for itself and Alba, I am a good coach and every once in awhile I have a good day. It was my bad luck to have one bad match (which I won by the way) streamed from the Canadians where I went on to lose in the semi-finals to the eventual winner, Alan Whitfield.

When your record matches mine then perhaps you can criticize my playing ability but until then please keep the negative comments to yourself. My coaching ability has nothing to do with my playing ability as it is now.

And for J6...Jason could you please translate that comment of yours. I can't make head nor tails out of it.

[sberry]

I said this thread was going weird

things that are not up for debate and are non-negotiable:

one cannot get past the basic level of the game of snooker without understanding and being able to play side and to get past intermediate level you need to do it well, all pros can and do use it very well, end of

if someone has a long track record of snooker at a high level including tournaments and wins, they know what they are talking about

playing snooker on a pool table is like throwing darts from four foot away, it's not right

anyone with a reasonable knowledge of the game can be an accredited coach if they want to be

no need for a row is it

[DG GIBERT]

just like to thank Terry and Bomber for their time and willingness to help people on this forum.


I really don't care if they have not made back to back 147s

Common sense will tell you if advice is good or bad, if my mum told me that i was moving my head when
I strike the cue ball, then that would be useful information. If ROS told me wearing green socks would improve my game then I would discount that advice.

If some one tells me that playing with side will help me pot more balls , I would ignore that advice.

Playing with side can help with safety and positional play off cushions I would agree with.

[Terry Davidson]

So you have mastered coaching Terry?

In what way have you mastered it?

Yes. Through experience. I will admit I learn something every day I play and something every time I coach though so I guess it depends on the definition of 'Master'. Nic Barrow uses that term to differentiate between the different levels of coaching he teaches, i.e. - Instructor, Coach, Master Coach and Examiner. I am an Examiner and can certify Master Coaches under the IBSF system.

On the other hand the WPBSA uses different level to designate a coach, I believe from Level I to Level IV. Their Level IV equates to the IBSF Examiner level.

[Terry Davidson]

just like to thank Terry and Bomber for their time and willingness to help people on this forum.


I really don't care if they have not made back to back 147s

Common sense will tell you if advice is good or bad, if my mum told me that i was moving my head when
I strike the cue ball, then that would be useful information. If ROS told me wearing green socks would improve my game then I would discount that advice.

If some one tells me that playing with side will help me pot more balls , I would ignore that advice.

Playing with side can help with safety and positional play off cushions I would agree with.

Thank you for that comment. On here I make suggestions for players who are asking for advice and the player should try and understand what I'm saying and if he thinks it makes sense then he should try it out on a table. There is no ONE template for ALL snooker players and each player has to experiment and decide for themselves which advice they want to use and disregard the advice they don't agree with.

However, sometimes I do feel like telling a student 'YOU WILL DO THIS' because my patience is not infinite.

[j6uk]

but if someone is telling a bold porky how are you gonna take it in terms of there advice. i agree that there is a curious veneer in canadian water. i love all of it tho, and if bomber wants to bring a 134 and tel wants to bring three maxes tho i can't remember if it was 1 or really three.. we all know the score. you can't jump off a boat and make x3 147's in your 40s within a few years, and you can't get excited with a ton on a pool table and not open your crack for a total 134 clearance on a full size table, simply cus this game don't work like that.
its an unforgivable disrespect to those who've walked the walk, and you'll never ever get away with it. if you do it will only be with a few suckers on here

[j6uk]

did you get this knowledge, from our tel, or is this just from your own experience?

Put the white in the jaws, pot the blue into the opposite corner dead weight on a brushed/blocked/ironed table. If you can't do this your game has a weakness. If you can do it, you have a great, straight cue action. A lot of players who use side all the time can't do it, and they limit themselves with their cue action.

Some coaches coach players to not use side to begin with to ensure they have a Rolls-Royce cue action, to simplify the player's objectives, which is about potting balls by hitting through the centre. By the time they have a great cue action, they can make breaks of 50 without side. Then side comes later, I think this is what Terry means.

It takes most players 2 years to develop a good cue action, even folk like Methi, so the last thing they should be doing is developing the ability to play side at the same time they are altering stance, bridge, grip, etc etc!

Side is useful but why use it when a plain ball shot is the simplest option? With faster cloths, side is needed less than back in Willie's day.

[tedisbill]

Put the white in the jaws, pot the blue into the opposite corner dead weight on a brushed/blocked/ironed table. If you can't do this your game has a weakness. If you can do it, you have a great, straight cue action. A lot of players who use side all the time can't do it, and they limit themselves with their cue action.

How many should I be getting out of 10?

[itsnoteasy]

but if someone is telling a bold porky how are you gonna take it in terms of there advice. i agree that there is a curious veneer in canadian water. i love all of it tho, and if bomber wants to bring a 134 and tel wants to bring three maxes tho i can't remember if it was 1 or really three.. we all know the score. you can't jump off a boat and make x3 147's in your 40s within a few years, and you can't get excited with a ton on a pool table and not open your crack for a total 134 clearance on a full size table, simply cus this game don't work like that.
its an unforgivable disrespect to those who've walked the walk, and you'll never ever get away with it. if you do it will only be with a few suckers on here

All fair points J6, and I totaly get where you are coming from about disrespecting the game and the folk who have done the work, I think if I had spent most of my life trying to perfect my game and I thought someone was not being truthful I too would be peed off. I don't know the answer to it though, no one can say what others have done is true or not and I can't see the point in lying, you are only fooling yourself, so where do you go from here? I don't know where all this leads to really, I doubt you will get some sort of cathartic confession, even if it is needed.

[tedisbill]

Don't need a confession. It's just nice to let people know that we're not all stupid. It really does amaze me the amount of adults that lie.