problems with screwing the CB

[Byrom]

Valentines cards on sale now - just reminding you Tel

Going now - don't want to spoil the thread - xx

Ps I cant wait to see the Davidson coaching Ronnie DVD -

[pottr]

ha ha - well that will be safe then - seeing as you cant hit the broad side of a barn - seriously though if I had a fiver for every time you gave him a plug I would have Trevor white cues a John Parris Ultimate and a Merc on the drive - hope you are you on commission?

Oh... ****... So you mean those fivers in the mail were meant for you?

[Terry Davidson]

Valentines cards on sale now - just reminding you Tel

Going now - don't want to spoil the thread - xx

Ps I cant wait to see the Davidson coaching Ronnie DVD -

Good God man, you want me to send you a valentine so you don't have to send yourself one as usual? Maybe I'll ask Nic to send you one so you can treasure it forever as it will be proof that at least someone loved you.

[Terry Davidson]

Here's an interesting point that Davis picked up on. Coaches advocate the cue butt as low to the table as possible, ala Trump and Robbo, and they use it to fine effect one must say. But then we have Selby and Ronnie cueing quite high and that's why Selby leaves chalk on the table Terry. Ok, their long potting isn't as good as Trump and Robbo but they have plenty of cue power and Ronnie is just the best in the balls and makes it look so easy because it really is for him so who's to say that a high butt is all bad?

So which set-up would a novice be advised to train to?

My OPINION would be since a novice is very likely to have unintentional side on his delivery it would be smarter to keep the cue as level as possible to keep the effects of that side minimal.

I agree with you on Selby, but I think Ronnie has the butt down on most shots.

[CoachGavin]

problems with screwing the CB

Selby and Ronnie both drop their elbows more on the shot. When the cue ball is struck the cue is actually fairly low and comes through parallel. Robertson and Judd start off lower and don't drop the elbow.

[CoachGavin]

problems with screwing the CB

Personally think stance width is all to do with height and comfort etc. If you are happy and stance allows you to play the shot then it's fine. Selby is parallel on delivery but starts by addressing on a downwards slope. I think he has had coaching from Del so he follows the Drive method. From my coaching if you are not screwing back a player is usually not striking the bottom of the cue ball.

[CoachGavin]

problems with screwing the CB

play your screw shot and stay down on the shot.Where is the cue tip after the shot? Many players will find that the tip will be about 2 or 3 inches off the baize meaning they have dropped the butt and lifted the cue tip during the delivery. The cue tip should follow it's original line and finish low.

[tomlimcj]

flatten that bridge, aim low, stay low, no movement from head, body and shoulder, follow through. there is a tendency to lift ur body or head up on deep screw shots. try to fight that tendency. upon delivery, ur cue should stay in the final position. check how low u are hitting and whether u unintentionally lift ur cue cos that will kill any backspin. follow through!

[Maverick54]

When playing a screw shot at distance many screw shots become drag shots. Is this down to a decrease in acceleration thru the cue ball and the reason only players like Judd are able to master the shot? Many of the top pros are unable to play these type of shots.

[cyberheater]

When playing a screw shot at distance many screw shots become drag shots. Is this down to a decrease in acceleration thru the cue ball and the reason only players like Judd are able to master the shot? Many of the top pros are unable to play these type of shots.

If you hit the white at the same speed on a long shot as on a short screw shot then it will become a drag shot over distance. To screw back over a long distance you need to hit the white low and very fast. It takes a very good technique.

[cyberheater]

Coach said to flick the wrist as you accelerate forward. Anyone agree with that?

Which would add another layer of complication and is yet another thing you have to control. You don't need to.

Just push smoothly through the white and allow the cue to do the work and you'll generate all the screw you need.

[jono*]

A relaxed grip is key to a smooth action

[haggishunter]

when I started reading stuff on the forum about cue ball control I couldn't really get a lot out of the cue ball, slowly but surely as I started trying the different things you will be reading in this thread it started to pay off, now the problem I get is trying to get the right amount... if I'm trying to play something delicate I under hit it, if I need a little more movement from it I end up sending it to the other end of the table, well not quite as I feel i'm now judging the pace better, stick at it though. keep steady, bridge hand low, maybe try spacing your fingers out a little more just to help keep the hand nice and stable and then I guess then its about getting the cue through the ball with a positive stroke. hopefully the suggestions here help you as it has me.

[tomlimcj]

Ok, so the drive method involves dropping the elbow and using the forearm and triceps more, while keeping the elbow on the shot line and stroking through the ball? Cheers.

shouldn't worry ABT the elbow. I drop my elbow when I try to get power into the shot but if ur cue is low enough(parallel) and ur body is low enough, u can deliver power without the drop like robbo. I drop because I tend to have the cue higher, and if I do not drop thr elbow, I cannot get alot of follow through before the grip hits the chest. and if I go very low, I have problems cueing straight, sighting is wrong, etc. the trick is to get the drop of the elbow correctly. this for me is very hard to master and I can't do it.

[tomlimcj]

when I started reading stuff on the forum about cue ball control I couldn't really get a lot out of the cue ball, slowly but surely as I started trying the different things you will be reading in this thread it started to pay off, now the problem I get is trying to get the right amount... if I'm trying to play something delicate I under hit it, if I need a little more movement from it I end up sending it to the other end of the table, well not quite as I feel i'm now judging the pace better, stick at it though. keep steady, bridge hand low, maybe try spacing your fingers out a little more just to help keep the hand nice and stable and then I guess then its about getting the cue through the ball with a positive stroke. hopefully the suggestions here help you as it has me.

same as me. but I had a thought about controlling the strength. if ur stroke is the same all the time (firm and smooth with good follow through) then the only thing that should matter would be how much drawback you put into the shot. the bigger the drawback, the harder the shot, the more likely the cueball will move. that should be the case, at least for the same shot.