How much pressure on Bridge hand?

[buddfridgeman]

If you go looking at judd trump on deep screw you will see that his cue actually bends just before the shot, you can replicate this using the rear arm technique.
you have all the energy just ready to explode..the coiled spring, and as you go through the shot it all releases creating lots of action, at the same time as going through the white the tension of the rear arm relaxes but you transfer all that energy into the cue ball.

[Fisherboi]

Yes.. the coil effects.
Told me friends before but they were telling me it's camera angle.
I've tried it, have been using it for the last feather before I execute the shots.
Some of my friends have been doing these without noticing it themselves. I'm not telling them as I doesn't want them to keep thinking about it, may affect their cueing if too focus on the pressure.
May see the attached pictures from the pros:

[timcunnell]

Yes.. the coil effects.
Told me friends before but they were telling me it's camera angle.
I've tried it, have been using it for the last feather before I execute the shots.
Some of my friends have been doing these without noticing it themselves. I'm not telling them as I doesn't want them to keep thinking about it, may affect their cueing if too focus on the pressure.
May see the attached pictures from the pros:
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These pics are very interesting - but I am not sure they show cue bend in the way that was mentioned. These seem to refer to cue bending because of the back hand raising on the backswing, which causes the chin to put a bend in the cue. I could be wrong of course, but I'm sure this is why you see cue bend in Judd's case.
In other words, the butt is being pulled up, rather than pushed down by the back hand.

[Fisherboi]

Well.. I'm using middle finger and thumb grip. It's the final delivery shots.. try pushing the butt downwards and follow through with full grip.
I find it consistence and able to deliver more cue power to the shot.
Hmm.. anyone can advice further? I'm no good in words.. help

[buddfridgeman]

The effect is the same, the cue has more than just its weight on the bridge hand, this is what I would describe as the spring coiled full of energy just ready to release its power.

These pics are very interesting - but I am not sure they show cue bend in the way that was mentioned. These seem to refer to cue bending because of the back hand raising on the backswing, which causes the chin to put a bend in the cue. I could be wrong of course, but I'm sure this is why you see cue bend in Judd's case.
In other words, the butt is being pulled up, rather than pushed down by the back hand.

[timcunnell]

The effect is the same, the cue has more than just its weight on the bridge hand, this is what I would describe as the spring coiled full of energy just ready to release its power.

Ah for sure, yeah I see what you mean.

Although the result is the same though, the cause is very different - and it was that bit that I was getting confused with maybe. Obviously its absolutely crucial to have no tension in the cueing arm, and if you're somehow trying to push the cue into the bridge you will have tension. But pulling the butt upwards and into your chin will certainly create a seesaw effect which will push the tip end of the shaft into the bridge, and could cause the cue to bend I guess.

One thing is for sure - when I get on the practice table I am giving it a go!!

[buddfridgeman]

Yes but remember that the technique I talked about releases the tension on the delivery of the cue, try this too..you will see why I call it a coiled spring..I dont pull up on to my chin but can still generate a down force prior the hitting the object ball.

Ah for sure, yeah I see what you mean.

Although the result is the same though, the cause is very different - and it was that bit that I was getting confused with maybe. Obviously its absolutely crucial to have no tension in the cueing arm, and if you're somehow trying to push the cue into the bridge you will have tension. But pulling the butt upwards and into your chin will certainly create a seesaw effect which will push the tip end of the shaft into the bridge, and could cause the cue to bend I guess.

One thing is for sure - when I get on the practice table I am giving it a go!!

[timcunnell]

Yes but remember that the technique I talked about releases the tension on the delivery of the cue, try this too..you will see why I call it a coiled spring..I dont pull up on to my chin but can still generate a down force prior the hitting the object ball.

Okay thanks Budd - I will definitely try this and report back!

[trevs1]

If you go looking at judd trump on deep screw you will see that his cue actually bends just before the shot, you can replicate this using the rear arm technique.
you have all the energy just ready to explode..the coiled spring, and as you go through the shot it all releases creating lots of action, at the same time as going through the white the tension of the rear arm relaxes but you transfer all that energy into the cue ball.

In all the years I've been involved in snooker, I'm not sure I've heard anything quite as insane as this.

[Leo]

In all the years I've been involved in snooker, I'm not sure I've heard anything quite as insane as this.

Agreed, think you'll find the coaching section on this forum is one the only threads that can be full up with utter gibberish.

[guernseygooner]

Agreed, think you'll find the coaching section on this forum is one the only threads that can be full up with utter gibberish.

Things get really over complicated at times and I would hazard a guess that the people that do are forever struggling

[GeordieDS]

Things get really over complicated at times and I would hazard a guess that the people that do are forever struggling

Struggling players are forever searching for that one elusive thing that will take them to the next level and if they play long enough they'll find it.............




.............a Stannah stairlift.



Sorry

[inevermissblue]

If you go looking at judd trump on deep screw you will see that his cue actually bends just before the shot, you can replicate this using the rear arm technique.
you have all the energy just ready to explode..the coiled spring, and as you go through the shot it all releases creating lots of action, at the same time as going through the white the tension of the rear arm relaxes but you transfer all that energy into the cue ball.

Explained perfectly!

[inevermissblue]

None of this will work if your bridge hand is 'lazy'. Something most players are guilty of at some point. The cue is slightly pressed down onto the bridge hand after the backswing. However anything too elaborate will pull you off the line of aim. Once mastered, this is phenomenally good. Pot success increases, so does confidence. It's by no means an easy thing to do. Takes time to adapt.
Just to help people understand...this works in tandem with the rear pause, giving further assurance on the shot. Assuming all other things are hunky-dory...jobs a gudden!

[trevs1]

None of this will work if your bridge hand is 'lazy'. Something most players are guilty of at some point. The cue is slightly pressed down onto the bridge hand after the backswing. However anything too elaborate will pull you off the line of aim. Once mastered, this is phenomenally good. Pot success increases, so does confidence. It's by no means an easy thing to do. Takes time to adapt.
Just to help people understand...this works in tandem with the rear pause, giving further assurance on the shot. Assuming all other things are hunky-dory...jobs a gudden!

I would have to admit, that I am not a fan of being overly dismissive of encouragement and advice, and am rarely if ever a fan of shooting down anything that has genuine good intentions, but, there are times when it's clear that advice offered is potentially more harmful than it could ever be positive.

With that in mind, I have to say that this whole idea is one of the biggest loads of tripe that I have ever encountered being put forward as advice.