How much pressure on Bridge hand?

[fredkite]

How much pressure on Bridge hand?

Stop sitting on the fence Trev

[Raldon]

Agreed, think you'll find the coaching section on this forum is one the only threads that can be full up with utter gibberish.

Are there any better forum coaching sections at the Internet??

...to be honest, i also noticed that not only Trump´s cue bends during the backswing on powershots. So this thread is OK to me.

[Leo]

Are there any better forum coaching sections at the Internet??

...to be honest, i also noticed that not only Trump´s cue bends during the backswing on powershots. So this thread is OK to me.

Fair enough I Just think over-complicated posts on threads can sometimes over power simple constructed advice when it's not necessary.

[cyberheater]

Surely it's the chin pressing down on the cue that pushes it into your bridge hand?

[timcunnell]

Surely it's the chin pressing down on the cue that pushes it into your bridge hand?

That's what I think too! Or to put it another way, take you cue and setup as if playing a shot (probably on your dining table if you're anything like me!!). I be you can't get your cue to bend without your chin touching the cue! (At least not without a seriously unorthodox grip!).

[vmax4steve]

Surely it's the chin pressing down on the cue that pushes it into your bridge hand?

Exactly what happens with Trump and Ronnie and a few others, nothing whatsoever to do with the grip hand pressing the cue into the V of the bridge hand.

There's some good advice on these threads quite often but not this time, stay well clear of anything that means tightening the grip hand.
It will work for a while like most things new tend to do, but that is down to the 'one swing thought' paradox where you concentrate on the one thing and your subconscious does what it's meant to in all other departments and you end up playing better and you think it's this new technique that's doing it for you.

Come match day and you're back to square one as your anxiety overides your subconscious and the new technique turns out to be pants, like all the other techniques you've tried over the years.

Terry teaches the 'one swing thought' but it's something vital and neccessary like 'head still', I do as well but for me it's 'eye on the object ball'.

[Dozza19792]

I was talking to a very good player at the local club the other day, he is on average 60 to 80 break player, with highest 130+. He told me that I should "press down" on the cue, or in other words, have some downward pressure on the bridge. This will make the cue more stable on impact with the white.

I could not understand how that could be done, since there seems to be no natural way of doing this with the grip hand, or does this mean the chin or the chest should be pressing down? I kinda doubt this. I always thought the only pressure on bridge should be the weight of the cue itself. He said this can be done by the grip hand, in any way I feel natural with, to exert some pressure on the cue to press down on the bridge.

Could coaches here tell me whether this is correct? If so, how this downward pressure can be done?

By the way, Higgins seems have his chin press pretty hard on the cue, how does the cue still move freely with this?

Thank you!

Me thinks he was pulling your tadger......or, you misheard something he said!

[Terry Davidson]

Surely it's the chin pressing down on the cue that pushes it into your bridge hand?

If and when the cue bends then it is the chin and/or chest pushing down on it. I think the original poster got it wrong and the player was talking about the bridge hand, not the grip hand. It seems to me this would be the worst thing you could do as you would have to raise the back of the grip or at least try and drive the thumb and forefinger downwards and since it's at the back of the butt it would take a lot of pressure to get the shaft of the cue pushing into the 'V' of the bridge.

I'm with Trevor on this one.

[mythman69]

When I first read the original post I thought that they might have meant keep the bridge hand solid and fingers pressed into the table. I often see players in the club with kind of limp floppy bridge hand that moves during the shot. Keep the bridge hand firmly on the table so it is a solid base. When bridging over another ball this is harder to achieve but important if you are going to not move during the shot.

[buddfridgeman]

If you read the words in my post I said the the down force on the bridge hand could be played and responds well to certain shots.

I did also say this can be used as and when needed but not all the time...I also use this technique when bridging over the pack of balls on some shots for a more solid feel.

I have played for 30 years so have picked up individual things which help me, when I read the original post I could understand the advice that was given...and tried to explain this as best I could.

If this does not work for the guy then no harm done, it does and always will help me pull out some cracking shots, but again as and when needed.

I don't hold the cue massively tight and even when using this technique I can generate enough pressure to the bridge hand with just thumb and one finger grip and on the delivery stroke this all releases.

I am not for putting anyone down he asked a question and as best I could I tried to explain ...this technique makes me no world beater ..but again I helps out from time to time.

I did post a video a while back on this forum compiling a 140 break and missing the final black from a tough cut in..and have had at last count 6 x 147 in practice over the years..whilst this does not endorse any of what I have said it probably goes some way in showing just how much practice I had put in over the years and I was only trying to pass on some words of wisdom as indeed was the original advice I think.

I don't want to get into the politics of this forum or any others but sometimes a little gesture of encouragement offerd is just that..if the guy gets this and it does not work then that's no problem, I hope it does help and good luck to him.

[Byrom]

Well I am not one to knock something without giving it a go - everyone has their own little bits of things they do - never heard of this before though and it went opposite to how I grip which is quite relaxed - I use timing and let the cue do the work really.

So I went to club tried out a few shots tighter grip pressing down - It did not help on everything and found at first this was hard and felt unusual - so I used slight pressure.

I did actually find it improved the accuracy and power close in on certain shots requiring more power and accuracy with less pull back - Type of shots that worked best for me where the screw back with check side off cushion - awkward bridging over balls - and stun runs with top and shots requiring a lot of follow through.

I am not saying these are shots I could not do with my usual technique but I tested it out properly for a period on these certain shots and a slight pressure did help me cue some of them more positively so think it wrong to be dismissive - if anything can add a bit of something to your game then it is worth giving it a do.

If you don't go on that blind date you might never meet that girl of your dreams.

[sarwanov]

This is a good question and Answers are appreciated.

[buddfridgeman]

That's what I think too! Or to put it another way, take you cue and setup as if playing a shot (probably on your dining table if you're anything like me!!). I be you can't get your cue to bend without your chin touching the cue! (At least not without a seriously unorthodox grip!).

I will answer this one

I referred to Judd bending his cue to demonstrate an individual trait of his which works for him, I did suggest adding a down force on the bridge hand can be helpful ,and may be what the original advice was...but at no point did I suggest that adding a little down force was going to bend the cue, it’s easy to get a little carried away, I was saying you can almost store the energy like a compressed spring would do and then use this to create more action.

[buddfridgeman]

[QUOTE=vmax4steve;834578]Exactly what happens with Trump and Ronnie and a few others, nothing whatsoever to do with the grip hand pressing the cue into the V of the bridge hand.

There's some good advice on these threads quite often but not this time, stay well clear of anything that means tightening the grip hand.
It will work for a while like most things new tend to do, but that is down to the 'one swing thought' paradox where you concentrate on the one thing and your subconscious does what it's meant to in all other departments and you end up playing better and you think it's this new technique that's doing it for you.

Come match day and you're back to square one as your anxiety overides your subconscious and the new technique turns out to be pants, like all the other techniques you've tried over the years.

Terry teaches the 'one swing thought' but it's something vital and neccessary like 'head still', I do as well but for me it's 'eye on the object ball'.[/QUO

Ok.... so we have established that Judd uses his chin to bend the cue...I don’t remember saying otherwise, the point I was making is in cueing like this he is in all sense of the word creating a down force on his bridge hand.
This was used as a direct comparison to adding a little pressure to the bridge hand in my own technique, I don’t bend the cue, I don’t pot like Judd, and I can’t replicate his action..but for some reason this works for me and I was passing on my experience and Judd has found his technique works for him.
If you had not heard of the name Judd Trump and he came on this forum and described what he does I am sure you would be very dismissive too...well it’s so unorthodox it probably should not work but... hey presto.

[inevermissblue]

I would have to admit, that I am not a fan of being overly dismissive of encouragement and advice, and am rarely if ever a fan of shooting down anything that has genuine good intentions, but, there are times when it's clear that advice offered is potentially more harmful than it could ever be positive.

With that in mind, I have to say that this whole idea is one of the biggest loads of tripe that I have ever encountered being put forward as advice.

Thanks for your positive feedback! Lol.