Why isn't the Trump technique and Set-up now the Textbook Standard?

[Terry Davidson]

I thought you were starting your own snooker comps in Canada

We did but there are no more dates left. Also the present provincial association is the only one who can qualify players for the nationals and since we are barred I may not get to play in the nationals unless I can find another route and if I can't play in the nationals then I can't go to South Africa to play in the World Masters.

The association is the only game in town with regards to that. Les and I did start our own series and they were quite successful as we paid out all the entry fees in prize money whereas the association only pays out around 30% and keeps the rest, i.e. - with 16 players at $40 per = $640 and they pay out just $80 total with first place being $30, so $560 is held back. That's just not right and they've never said what the money was going to be used for and their figures disagree big time the Les and my figures.

[jrc750]

...whereas the association only pays out around 30% and keeps the rest, i.e. - with 16 players at $40 per = $640 and they pay out just $80 total with first place being $30, so $560 is held back. ....

That's outrageous !!!
You pay 40 to enter, and most you can win is 30 !!
So what possible reason do players enter then ??

[robertmac]

Terry that is terrible the way you both have
been treated. What is the name of the organization?
Its sad when snooker is struggling so much in Canada
that various groups cant work together for a common
good.

[jrc750]

...whereas the association only pays out around 30% and keeps the rest, i.e. - with 16 players at $40 per = $640 and they pay out just $80 total with first place being $30, so $560 is held back. ..

Mind you your Maths is a but out there, $80 is 12.5% not 30% ??

[Terry Davidson]

Mind you your Maths is a but out there, $80 is 12.5% not 30% ??

I noted that and it changes for each number of entries. Go to 'snookerline.com' and click on 'OSA' up top and then 'Prizes' on the left and you'll see what I mean. With 21 players I think they pay out $255, so $840 in entries minus the $255 = $585 held back. They also pay themselves $5 per player in management fees for every tournament so that $585 ends up being $480 into the bank account. The association is supposed to be voluntary with no payments at all.

[jrc750]

That prize money structure is crazy ! you get just as much for coming 3rd/4th as you do for coming 2nd, and sometimes coming 5th to 8th gets more than the losing finalist !!

[Terry Davidson]

That prize money structure is crazy ! you get just as much for coming 3rd/4th as you do for coming 2nd, and sometimes coming 5th to 8th gets more than the losing finalist !!

You misunderstand. For each player divide by 2 for the semis and 4 for the 1/4's.

So for 20 entries the semi-finalists get $20 each and the 1/4-finalists get $10 each. That table shows the total payout. For the 20 players look at the total payout, which is $225 with $800 in entries so the hold-back is $575 with a management fee of $100, so $475 to the bank and $100 to their pockets.

[jrc750]

Ahh i see ....

[GeordieDS]

We did but there are no more dates left. Also the present provincial association is the only one who can qualify players for the nationals and since we are barred I may not get to play in the nationals unless I can find another route and if I can't play in the nationals then I can't go to South Africa to play in the World Masters.

The association is the only game in town with regards to that. Les and I did start our own series and they were quite successful as we paid out all the entry fees in prize money whereas the association only pays out around 30% and keeps the rest, i.e. - with 16 players at $40 per = $640 and they pay out just $80 total with first place being $30, so $560 is held back. That's just not right and they've never said what the money was going to be used for and their figures disagree big time the Les and my figures.

Wow that's insanely bad,no wonder snooker has been in decline over there; Just keep doing what you're doing and you will succeed

[CoachGavin]

Why isn't the Trump technique and Set-up now the Textbook Standard?

think you might be slightly off topic now lol

[CoachGavin]

Why isn't the Trump technique and Set-up now the Textbook Standard?

Byrom, i did say players were all slightly different and the grip in particular is very unique to each player. However he does keep his elbow up during the shot like Steve Davis and Stephen Hendy did in their heyday which is closer to textbook than Ronnie OSullivan and his elbow drop. As a coach I think you incorporate a players natural style into their game but when starting a player out you can cut out anything that may stop or slow down their improvement.

[Ramon]

Byrom, i did say players were all slightly different and the grip in particular is very unique to each player. However he does keep his elbow up during the shot like Steve Davis and Stephen Hendy did in their heyday which is closer to textbook than Ronnie OSullivan and his elbow drop. As a coach I think you incorporate a players natural style into their game but when starting a player out you can cut out anything that may stop or slow down their improvement.

Good post ,,,,
However , I think in terms of technique he does everything By the book ,, but I do'nt think you can compare his consistentsy with S Hendry !! Has nothing t do with his setup Or ..., But The way he is playing the game !! and as he get older, it is gonna be harder for him to play like this . Most of this crazy shots he mis now , he did pot them 5 yrs ago !!!!

[CoachGavin]

Why isn't the Trump technique and Set-up now the Textbook Standard?

No I agree Hendry was perhaps more consistent but there was less tournaments and longer matches so it was easier to be fresh for each event. Now you can lose 4:0 and be off home lol. I think Trump is a much better player than 5 years ago or even 2 years ago and will improve further. All players tend to attack more when they first come on the scene and then they develop an all round game like Ronnie has.

[Master Blaster]

Do we know that Judd goes to bed late, doesn't practice and has no coaching? Or is this just people assuming? From what i hear he does work hard and had a good season for it.

Hi CG, thanks for your input, where were you on page 1. when we needed you to steer the thread?! lol

Ok, so I remember an interview with JT where he says he pops into this specially designed practice room full of star tables that his mgt company provided. He does a couple of hours then leaves. This was 2-3 years ago, when his form dipped a bit. And I read that he's upped practice to maybe 4hrs a day now. He feels that more wouldn't improve things and practice is really for topping up form as he's learned most of what he can, the rest will be on the match table. If so, good luck to him, the amount of practice for each pro varies. Ronnie isn't practising much at all and it shows. Bingo says he's on maybe 8hrs a day sometimes, same with the Hawk. Hendry did the same in his prime.

So is Judd doing enough hours? Does he need to spend an extra hour or two a day learning a plan B game. I ask because when he was behind v. Bingo he resorted to more and more attack, which didn't work and Bingo certainly didn't crack.

[alabadi]

I saw a few interviews he did, and if I am not mistaken he did say that he practices more nowadays, however he practices the things he's not good at.

he mentioned that he practices his safety and his positional play, which we have seen significant improvements in that area over the last year.

I think he was playing very well in the world championships, absolutely destroyed Ding who is a one of the best around. against Bingham he wasn't that bad, he played well to claw it back to a decider where frame 31 and 32 he had breaks of 108 & 129 respectively, that's good form and with a bit of luck could have won that match. but Bingham give him credit was on top of his game.

so I don't think he is far off, he has got to either the Semis and finals in most tournaments he has played in over the last year so if he keeps progressing he will soon start winning these tournaments.