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[barrywhite]

in snooker "who gets to break" :wink:

No, who gets to rack. A break is the first shot, a rack is the act of putting the balls in a.......................rack. Position of the rack for this attempted pot off break may be crucial, i.e. can it be set up in such a way that the 15th red should always go down? And if you get to rack your own break...................

[DeanH]

No, who gets to rack. A break is the first shot, a rack is the act of putting the balls in a.......................rack. Position of the rack for this attempted pot off break may be crucial, i.e. can it be set up in such a way that the 15th red should always go down? And if you get to rack your own break...................

ah I see now
when my mates and I play it could be anyone racking the reds, we do not define that the non-breaker must rack the reds or anything like that; I presume that if a player was wanting to do this type of break they would wander nonchalantly up the table to rack the reds, then stroll down the table, pick up their cue, and proceed to break off and pot the red.... :biggrin:

[itsnoteasy]

Who ever is breaking, when we play ,normally spots from the yellow to blue as they tend to be at the baulk end, getting ready for their fancy break lol,the other person does reds, pink and black.

[jrc750]

Who ever is breaking, when we play ,normally spots from the yellow to blue as they tend to be at the baulk end, getting ready for their fancy break lol,the other person does reds, pink and black.

Same here, isn't this the way everyone does it ??
(DeanH is weird )

[itsnoteasy]

Same here, isn't this the way everyone does it ??
(DeanH is weird )

Well to be fair we have always known that about Dean

[DeanH]

Who ever is breaking, when we play ,normally spots from the yellow to blue as they tend to be at the baulk end, getting ready for their fancy break lol,the other person does reds, pink and black.

Same here, isn't this the way everyone does it ??
(DeanH is weird )

Well to be fair we have always known that about Dean

feel some bans coming on, I am feeling persecuted! :wink:

it is just something never thought about for all these years, now thinking about it, as you say the next breaker is usually at the baulk end
Strange though, when playing pool it has always been the non-breaker to rack the balls - weird eh?
:biggrin:

[jrc750]

...now thinking about it, as you say the next breaker is usually at the baulk end ...

Make it your New Years Resolution to implement it

[DeanH]

Make it your New Years Resolution to implement it

nah, I have always broken my NYRs! :wink:

but something to look into

[barrywhite]

I did this today, pulled it off. But it depends (for me) on an illegal rack, one where there is a decent gap between pink and reds, so I can hit some 1st red, even a smidge and the second red at the same time, which then produces the squeeze shot to push the 15th red to the pocket. When the reds are tight up to the pink (as the rules say) only a couple of mm of the first red are sticking out so it's very difficult to avoid fouling the pink. Maybe others do it differently? I think Simon is doing it differently. In the video the pack doesn't look parallel to the top cushion, so there's more chance of the red going in. But maybe that's perspective?

[throtts]

Its not potting the red from the break, its how many points you score from it. I give my pal a 45 start at the mo so its not for me..

[markz]

I did this today, pulled it off. But it depends (for me) on an illegal rack, one where there is a decent gap between pink and reds, so I can hit some 1st red, even a smidge and the second red at the same time, which then produces the squeeze shot to push the 15th red to the pocket. When the reds are tight up to the pink (as the rules say) only a couple of mm of the first red are sticking out so it's very difficult to avoid fouling the pink. Maybe others do it differently? I think Simon is doing it differently. In the video the pack doesn't look parallel to the top cushion, so there's more chance of the red going in. But maybe that's perspective?

The break was explained as hitting the second red, don't think anyone mentioned the first red. The pink blocks that off.

[markz]

Its not potting the red from the break, its how many points you score from it. I give my pal a 45 start at the mo so its not for me..

You must be a good player throtts to be giving away a 45 start, don't think I'd be too worried about sticking a red up on the break. Now and then a normal break can do that or even the dreaded in off gives 4 away.

[barrywhite]

You must be a good player throtts to be giving away a 45 start, don't think I'd be too worried about sticking a red up on the break. Now and then a normal break can do that or even the dreaded in off gives 4 away.

It's quite an open break, if the ball doesn't drop (and it only just did) there's a 40 on the table with the open reds without going into the pack. That's the danger. But it's a nice white to be fair, not far off perfect.

[markz]

It's quite an open break, if the ball doesn't drop (and it only just did) there's a 40 on the table with the open reds without going into the pack. That's the danger. But it's a nice white to be fair, not far off perfect.

I agree Barry, splits the pack pretty well and usually get a safe cue ball. My point for throtts was that if he's giving a 45 start he must be a good player as like you say it's not too hard to knock a 40 in and that's game over anyway.

[barrywhite]

I agree Barry, splits the pack pretty well and usually get a safe cue ball. My point for throtts was that if he's giving a 45 start he must be a good player as like you say it's not too hard to knock a 40 in and that's game over anyway.

I'd have to give similar away but anyone can have a frame of their lives and knock in a 40 and suddenly the frame is in the balance with 10 reds left on the table. There's nothing like an easy red to get your arm and brain going, gives the psychological advantage away to the other guy who now thinks you're there for the taking. I'm gonna have to wait till Sunday to try playing it the Simon way, with extreme R hand side. Raring to have a proper go now though! Bloomin Xmas, right in the middle of the road. If nothing goes down, it shakes the opponent up, especially safety minded ones who are now faced with pots that they shouldn't refuse but may miss!

Markz, did Ronnie use this break years back to really open them up or was it the third ball he used to hit? [note; no attempt to turn this into a Ronnie discussion and go off topic, all rights reserved]