Front hand and back hand english - Applicable for snooker?

[golferson123]

Fine. What do you call Cut Induced Throw (CIT) then?

You have to know something exists before you can name it...

We are talking about the path of the cue ball not the path of the ob,and please stop inventing termonoligy .I picked up all my sayings from pros in the early days and the amount that a cue causes the cueball to move of line with side was called throw,the effect of transmitted side is cheat

[Hello, Mr Big Shot]

Fine. What do you call Cut Induced Throw (CIT) then?

You have to know something exists before you can name it...

We are talking about the path of the cue ball not the path of the ob,and please stop inventing termonoligy .I picked up all my sayings from pros in the early days and the amount that a cue causes the cueball to move of line with side was called throw,the effect of transmitted side is cheat

Inventing? Lol!!

'Cheat' doesn't make sense, and leads to confusion when someone refers to 'cheating the pocket'. Pros not understanding physics or terminology is nothing new, by the way.

[jonny66]

Two down, eight to go

[Ramon]

Inventing? Lol!!

'Cheat' doesn't make sense, and leads to confusion when someone refers to 'cheating the pocket'. Pros not understanding physics or terminology is nothing new, by the way.

To be honest, I think it does make sense on snooker table !! has everything to do with the distance between the CB and OB !!
U'r not agree ?

[Ramon]

damn physics kills us snooker players hahaahaha

Lol , u'r right about that one !!
I'm dead already !!!

[vmax4steve]

Trump pivots, others too. I highly doubt they do it deliberately or even know they are doing it.

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=400746

BHE is an effective method at eliminating deflection. Size of pocket has absolutely nothing to do with it. It is a technique some find useful, is all.

As for aiming shots thicker, and saying hitting harder or softer produces different results, you're describing CIT!

I see our favourite Mr. Big Pocket is back on his favourite subject of knowing sod all himself and praying at the alter of Dr. Dave. CIT indeed !!, what I'm describing is the effect of the cue ball moving off the line of aim on the strike when side is applied, spinning as it travels along the cloth and swerving slightly according to the direction of its spin to the nap of the cloth.

Back hand english as Dr. Dave describes is about aiming the cue down the wrong line of aim to allow the cue ball to throw on the correct line of aim, this can be done because the pockets on a 9 ball table will take a ball off the far jaw that is aimed to the centre of the pocket but goes to the far jaw because of side induced throw simply because the pockets are five inches wide, a snooker table pocket at three and a half inches will not; and on a snooker table the nap of the cloth will make the spinning cue ball swerve along the bed of the table much more than on a napless pool table cloth so the effects of side are more pronounced and have to be compensated for more.

And Trump does not pivot his cue as in what Dr. Dave describes, Trump addresses the right side of the cue ball and hits centre on delivery of the cue, something completely different.

Here's a good acronym for the purveyors of Dr. Dave's theories, Throw Induced Twist & Squirt..........TITS

[Terry Davidson]

I see our favourite Mr. Big Pocket is back on his favourite subject of knowing sod all himself and praying at the alter of Dr. Dave. CIT indeed !!, what I'm describing is the effect of the cue ball moving off the line of aim on the strike when side is applied, spinning as it travels along the cloth and swerving slightly according to the direction of its spin to the nap of the cloth.

Back hand english as Dr. Dave describes is about aiming the cue down the wrong line of aim to allow the cue ball to throw on the correct line of aim, this can be done because the pockets on a 9 ball table will take a ball off the far jaw that is aimed to the centre of the pocket but goes to the far jaw because of side induced throw simply because the pockets are five inches wide, a snooker table pocket at three and a half inches will not; and on a snooker table the nap of the cloth will make the spinning cue ball swerve along the bed of the table much more than on a napless pool table cloth so the effects of side are more pronounced and have to be compensated for more.

And Trump does not pivot his cue as in what Dr. Dave describes, Trump addresses the right side of the cue ball and hits centre on delivery of the cue, something completely different.

Here's a good acronym for the purveyors of Dr. Dave's theories, Throw Induced Twist & Squirt..........TITS

This is one of the principles in 'The UNKNOWN Secrets of Snooker' but on a snooker table of course. Just one of the things in that book I disagree with. I should add to those skeptical players try it yourself and see what results you get, you never know it might be that magical 'silver bullet' that turns you into a potting machine

[ace man]

People who very obviously steer the cue all the time when applying side are probably not very good players. That is something you might see at club level 9ball, not modern pro level. Yes, there are very few exceptions, but those players are rare nowadays. I have watched top modern European champion level 9ballers in person many times. None of them steer. No cue pivoting either.

[grey]

The standard of my game is just getting to the stage where I'm able to explore the effects of 'squirt' too. I'm not going to pretend that I fully understand the physics behind what is happening with the cue ball, but I do know that ball weight and playing surface both affect the amount of squirt; tip density/shape could also be a factor, but if it is, then it seems to almost too slight for a player of my standard to notice.

In my opinion, the cue itself is the main factor to how much squirt is inflicted onto the cue ball. If you can find a cue that delivers less squirt, your aim adjustment decreases, lowering the margin of error.

I have researched the reasoning behind squirt, and discovered that it is possible to numb the effects by lightening the weight of the tip-end of the cue. Some Americans are even prepared to hollow out the final 2 or 3 inches of their pool sticks to achieve this! I decided to experiment by reducing the length and weight of the brass ferrule by 3/16 on my cue to see if it would make any difference. The result was very noticeable - about a 25% reduction of squirt over the length of the table when applying full english from (a snooker table's equivalent of) head spot at pace enough to return the cue ball back to head rail.

That was three weeks ago and I'm still over-compensating for the new amount of throw! Recommend if you make any adjustments, make them before you get used to your cue.

[Leo]

'squirt' always amuses me when I see a thread with that in

[grey]

'squirt' always amuses me when I see a thread with that in

American terminology is far more colourful than ours.

[Byrom]

'squirt' always amuses me when I see a thread with that in

[andyfives]

Have to admit just discovered I apply side on pretty much all my shots.
I have tried to make a point about fixing it but when I think too hard about hitting centre my pot and position goes out the window.

[Terry Davidson]

Some of the advice given above should help you. If you reduce the weight of the ferrule by cutting down its height and also don't use too small a tip (use between 9.5 to 10mm) you will cut down the amount cueball throw (or 'squirt').

In addition as far as technique goes try really loosening off your grip and ensure you do not tighten the grip until after the strike of the cueball. Also remember to keep the cue as level as possible and accelerate through and beyond the cueball, driving your grip hand to your chest for most shots.

[Hello, Mr Big Shot]

Trump pivots, others too. I highly doubt they do it deliberately or even know they are doing it.

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=400746

BHE is an effective method at eliminating deflection. Size of pocket has absolutely nothing to do with it. It is a technique some find useful, is all.

As for aiming shots thicker, and saying hitting harder or softer produces different results, you're describing CIT!

I see our favourite Mr. Big Pocket is back on his favourite subject of knowing sod all himself and praying at the alter of Dr. Dave. CIT indeed !!, what I'm describing is the effect of the cue ball moving off the line of aim on the strike when side is applied, spinning as it travels along the cloth and swerving slightly according to the direction of its spin to the nap of the cloth.

Back hand english as Dr. Dave describes is about aiming the cue down the wrong line of aim to allow the cue ball to throw on the correct line of aim, this can be done because the pockets on a 9 ball table will take a ball off the far jaw that is aimed to the centre of the pocket but goes to the far jaw because of side induced throw simply because the pockets are five inches wide, a snooker table pocket at three and a half inches will not; and on a snooker table the nap of the cloth will make the spinning cue ball swerve along the bed of the table much more than on a napless pool table cloth so the effects of side are more pronounced and have to be compensated for more.

And Trump does not pivot his cue as in what Dr. Dave describes, Trump addresses the right side of the cue ball and hits centre on delivery of the cue, something completely different.

Here's a good acronym for the purveyors of Dr. Dave's theories, Throw Induced Twist & Squirt..........TITS

They are not 'theories'. You may not like his presentation - god knows i don't - but they are demonstrable and proven.

You are more than welcome to conduct your own tests to show the world what REALLY happens when balls collide.

Off you go!