The Dominant Eye Theory Is Totally Wrong!

[Nic Barrow]

You are mad. They had just had proof today.

Plenty of people thought that of me when practicing cue balls up and down the table on my own for hours etc, so you are not alone!

[Nic Barrow]

explaination and help then please
when stood up the shot looks different to me than when crouched down. optition suggested it was Astigmatism. i arent talking about walking into a shot, merely if i stand and look at a shot, then crouch down i generally arent on the same line. this happens with cutting all the way down to 1/4 ball

You may be coming off line when moving down into the shot position.
Also, when down on the shot, your head may not be in the correct position to see the shot correctly.
Lastly, it may be that both are correct but that your angle recognition is wrong and needs to be adjusted.

[Ramon]

I had a look at the aim frame and it seemed to work, but i felt a bit daft when people were looking at me like i was mad

Off the topic , So, My apologies to other memebers !!
to be honest , I know someone who bought it, and I had a look at it too (I was just wondering waht it is ?).
I have to say , My compliment to this coach. IMO, it's not only for beginners. Could be useful to any player in any level.

[markz]

Off the topic , So, My apologies to other memebers !!
to be honest , I know someone who bought it, and I had a look at it too (I was just wondering waht it is ?).
I have to say , My compliment to this coach. IMO, it's not only for beginners. Could be useful to any player in any level.

Might be worth writing a review then Ramon.

[golferson123]

If the dominant eye theory is wrong, how come the world's best potters and break builders use one eye over the cue? Ronnie, Robbo, Trump, etc etc!

You say many players have even eye strength. This is nonsense, only 1% of the population have this trait. I agree with the idea of finding how strong a dominant eye is but choosing that eye is pretty obvious, given that it already does all the sighting and aiming in the player's everyday life! Why choose the opposite eye for example, that will only lead to confusion; the player will sight the shot with their dominant eye no matter, then play it with the other eye; this would be suicide not least because the cue will now be in the wrong plane, nevermind that they can't sight down the cue as well with the wrong eye because their dominant eye is attempting to sight the shot no matter because that's what the optic part of their brain prefers to do. Why put the optic part of the brain in conflict with the pre-frontal lobes - confusion in the player.

You're meant to be a top coach but this video is mumbo-jumbo to me. Produce a player who uses his 'other' eye to become world champion and I'll believe you.

which eye is that then?

[Ramon]

Might be worth writing a review then Ramon.

Thanks mark,

well, I don't think I'm in a position to do that, mark. .
Nic has a review on his site and let's face it, he's a great coach. not to say we have to always agree with him but I think that is more than enough.
I can only give my opinion.
the way i see it, in snooker you have 2 kind of players,
1-players who are playing this game with their feeling.
2-players who are playing this game according to the rules.
those who are playing this game according to the rules, always have a weak point in their game ( no matter what level they're playing ).
Sum players are very good with palying shots from a short distance and struggling with long shots. sum are able to recognize the angel from a long distance (long shots) mutch better, but struggling with angel recognition in short distance and etc.
I think, aim frame would be useful for both. And if you are smart enough, you gonna use him not only for angel recognition. but also for the path of the CB (to see where CB gonna end up after you pot the OB).
As for the price, I heard you gonna get a few valuable videos. IMO, making this videos is not easy and, above all, not cheap.
No matter who makes them, gonna cost you a lot of time and material. and time is money my friend.
at the end , it's not gonna turn u in ROS ,, but the way i see it, Nic never said he does .
anyway, it's just my opinion .

[barrywhite]

I think you are wrong - did you watch the video above?
Very few players cue exclusively over one eye.
Many players who I test have the same strength in both eyes - that is the case in probably over 50% of players.
Most people (and based on your comments I think you are included in this category) confuse eye strength with eye 'dominance/preferedness' -
around 10% of the clients I test have a dominant eye that is weaker than the other.
SOME of those with same strength eyes see the ball best with the cue central between both eyes (EG Steve Davis and others), some favour one eye, even fewer cue under one eye exclusively.
The solution you offer is the biggest cause of sighting confusion, and gets me a huge amount of work helping people unravel incorrect eye alignment problems -
so an indirect thank you goes to you (although I wish I did not have any work from this issue as it ruins players' enjoyment of the game and is almost exclusively caused by listening to the dangerous advice that you give.

I can't produce a world champion - only the player can do that.
Allowing the player to find out their optimum eye position above the cue (instead of giving them a very damaging and inflexible dogma - whether that be from me, you or anyone else - about cueing only under one eye or the other) is vital to allow their cueing and overall game to flourish.

Unless you have a very lopsided set of players to train, I don't believe over 50% of players have equal eye strength. That's utter nonsense. My optician, research on the web and questioning friends proves this not to be the case. Opticians/optometrists and scientists/opthalmologists have found that folk are roughly 2/3 Right eye dominant, 1/3 left eye dominant with 1%, yes, just 1 in a hundred people who have equal eye strength; not over 50%! Dominance may be weak or strong, but it will mean that 99%, almost all humans will rely on one eye for sighting in life. That's why coaches advise shooters, darts players and archers to use one eye. This is best for targeting.

If you also believe that more than half of your players have equal eye strength and you advise them to position the cue based on this analysis, you are probably messing up a lot of players' games.

What ocular training do you have to make this assessment in order to get the analysis correct?

Here's a simple bit of information to get you started: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocular_dominance

[golferson123]

Unless you have a very lopsided set of players to train, I don't believe over 50% of players have equal eye strength. That's utter rubbish. My optician, research on the web and questioning friends proves this not to be the case. Opticians/optometrists and scientists/opthalmologists have found that folk are roughly 2/3 R eye dominant, 1/3 left eye dominant with 1%, yes, just 1 in a hundred people who have equal eye strength; not over 50%! If you also believe that more than half of your players have equal eye strength and you advise them to position the cue based on this analysis, you are probably messing up a lot of players' games.

What ocular training do you have to make this assessment in order to get the analysis correct?

Here's a simple bit of information to get you started: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocular_dominance

rude as usual, i suspect nics ocular knowledge comes from the same source as yours ie google, my optician my arse!

[barrywhite]

rude as usual, i suspect nics ocular knowledge comes from the same source as yours ie google, my optician my arse!

Ok, so google ocular strength and look at the reserch articles out there. 2/3 R eye dominant and 1/3 Left eye dominant mate; that doesn't add up to over 50% equal eye strength does it. It is always advised in sport to use the dominant eye unless faulty even if one eye is slightly stronger than the other. Didn't you know that? Folk in shooting, archery and darts have even swapped hands to accommodate the dominant eye.

[barrywhite]

Plus, all the chat about ocular dominance and strength aside. If folk are missing shots because they're not sighting correctly on the walk-in or not sighting correctly on the cue there's a product called

SIGHT RIGHT!

It works and helped to produce a world champion called Bingham.

Sight Right; does what it says on the tin; tested and successful.

Nothing else is needed.

[golferson123]

Ok, so google ocular strength and look at the reserch articles out there. 2/3 R eye dominant and 1/3 Left eye dominant mate; that doesn't add up to over 50% equal eye strength does it. It is always advised in sport to use the dominant eye unless faulty. Didn't you know that?

so you googled it then, thought so! if you used all your brains you would realise nics pupils (sic) are snooker players not joe public, they are a percentage of the populace so your figures are pointless

[danam1]

Unless you have a very lopsided set of players to train, I don't believe over 50% of players have equal eye strength. That's utter nonsense. My optician, research on the web and questioning friends proves this not to be the case. Opticians/optometrists and scientists/opthalmologists have found that folk are roughly 2/3 Right eye dominant, 1/3 left eye dominant with 1%, yes, just 1 in a hundred people who have equal eye strength; not over 50%! Dominance may be weak or strong, but it will mean that 99%, almost all humans will rely on one eye for sighting in life. That's why coaches advise shooters, darts players and archers to use one eye. This is best for targeting.

If you also believe that more than half of your players have equal eye strength and you advise them to position the cue based on this analysis, you are probably messing up a lot of players' games.

What ocular training do you have to make this assessment in order to get the analysis correct?

Here's a simple bit of information to get you started: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocular_dominance

Sorry but the part about shooters, dart players and archers using one eye is totally wrong. On the , contrary, we are encouraged to use both eyes. This is one thing I know as fact as I have competed at high levels at all three of these disciplines.

[hatterboard]

Plus, all the chat about ocular dominance and strength aside. If folk are missing shots because they're not sighting correctly on the walk-in or not sighting correctly on the cue there's a product called

SIGHT RIGHT!

It works and helped to produce a world champion called Bingham.

Sight Right; does what it says on the tin; tested and successful.

Nothing else is needed.

Have tried for 10 months on and off to contact that company, no reply whatsoever
Email and text message

[danam1]

Ok, so google ocular strength and look at the reserch articles out there. 2/3 R eye dominant and 1/3 Left eye dominant mate; that doesn't add up to over 50% equal eye strength does it. It is always advised in sport to use the dominant eye unless faulty even if one eye is slightly stronger than the other. Didn't you know that? Folk in shooting, archery and darts have even swapped hands to accommodate the dominant eye.

This is correct, but as I said before we are encouraged to use both irrespective of which eye is dominant.

[golferson123]

Plus, all the chat about ocular dominance and strength aside. If folk are missing shots because they're not sighting correctly on the walk-in or not sighting correctly on the cue there's a product called

SIGHT RIGHT!

It works and helped to produce a world champion called Bingham.

Sight Right; does what it says on the tin; tested and successful.

Nothing else is needed.

now that part i agree with