The Dominant Eye Theory Is Totally Wrong!

[Nic Barrow]

Question #1: How does one find their vision center?

Question #2: Does stronger eye mean better vision? Say like during an optometry exam using charts, etc.


Thanks.

1. That test is done in the online videos that come as part of the Aim Frame at www.thesnookergym.com/aim-frame-page
2. Stronger eye does NOT mean dominant eye - they are two separate tests, but ultimately both are irrelevant. Do test number one, and you will find your vision centre reliably. You do NOT need to know your preferred, dominant, or stronger eye to find your vision centre

[inevermissblue]

Hi Nic. Assuming forum members have no interest in using/paying for your coaching aids. It seems pointless of you replying to others posts. Especially if you don't offer a solution, as this would obviously be a conflict of interest regarding your products.

[Nic Barrow]

Is is a race to get on the shot the quickest? I would let the student take a little extra time to be sure of the shot line before getting down.

Good point

[Nic Barrow]

Hi Nic. Assuming forum members have no interest in using/paying for your coaching aids. It seems pointless of you replying to others posts. Especially if you don't offer a solution, as this would obviously be a conflict of interest regarding your products.

I don't always offer a solution that points to one of my products - as they don't always offer the only way for someone to solve an issue.

[Nic Barrow]

Question #1: How does one find their vision center?

Question #2: Does stronger eye mean better vision? Say like during an optometry exam using charts, etc.


Thanks.

Those videos are in one of Aim Frame online videos.
What do you mean by 2?
Generally, if a player has one eye much stronger than the other then their vision centre will tend to favour that eye in my experience.

[hatterboard]

explaination and help then please
when stood up the shot looks different to me than when crouched down. optition suggested it was Astigmatism. i arent talking about walking into a shot, merely if i stand and look at a shot, then crouch down i generally arent on the same line. this happens with cutting all the way down to 1/4 ball

[tetricky]

explaination and help then please
when stood up the shot looks different to me than when crouched down. optition suggested it was Astigmatism. i arent talking about walking into a shot, merely if i stand and look at a shot, then crouch down i generally arent on the same line. this happens with cutting all the way down to 1/4 ball

Could easily be the astigmatism. I have it, and have similar problems. Certain shots I get down on and just consistently hit them thick....even though I'm sure I'm sighting right and coming through straight. I have contact lenses that correct my short sightedness (so can see long quite well), I don't see close so well (age related long-sightedness), and I have troublesome astigmatisms that seem to move axially with every new eye test.

What I have found is that when practising if I believe I am missing a shot for this reason, I keep putting the balls back, and playing it until I get it right consistently. That works, eventually you mentally adjust for that particular alignment....but it does tend to creep back in over time.

Just one of those things really, none of us are perfect.

[hatterboard]

do the contacts sort it

[tetricky]

do the contacts sort it

Not for me, because they are not astigmatism correcting lenses, and the reason I've not chosen to have those is because (according to my last four eye tests) the astigmatisms have changed every time...so if I get correction, they might very well be pretty much on the move from day one. Similar problem for glasses. I would have to be checking and changing them regularly, and I want neither the faff nor the expense.

.....so I just try to get used to it at any given time, and you can do that with practice.

[barrywhite]

Does anyone have a different opinion to me on this, which I share on the 3 minute video below??
I am always happy to be proved wrong myself, so lets get the conversation running guys!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXEzWmhm5z0

If the dominant eye theory is wrong, how come the world's best potters and break builders use one eye over the cue? Ronnie, Robbo, Trump, etc etc!

You say many players have even eye strength. This is nonsense, only 1% of the population have this trait. I agree with the idea of finding how strong a dominant eye is but choosing that eye is pretty obvious, given that it already does all the sighting and aiming in the player's everyday life! Why choose the opposite eye for example, that will only lead to confusion; the player will sight the shot with their dominant eye no matter, then play it with the other eye; this would be suicide not least because the cue will now be in the wrong plane, nevermind that they can't sight down the cue as well with the wrong eye because their dominant eye is attempting to sight the shot no matter because that's what the optic part of their brain prefers to do. Why put the optic part of the brain in conflict with the pre-frontal lobes - confusion in the player.

You're meant to be a top coach but this video is mumbo-jumbo to me. Produce a player who uses his 'other' eye to become world champion and I'll believe you.

[golferson123]

Not for me, because they are not astigmatism correcting lenses, and the reason I've not chosen to have those is because (according to my last four eye tests) the astigmatisms have changed every time...so if I get correction, they might very well be pretty much on the move from day one. Similar problem for glasses. I would have to be checking and changing them regularly, and I want neither the faff nor the expense.

.....so I just try to get used to it at any given time, and you can do that with practice.

i have the same problem, my astigmatism is between two prescriptions so i have to wait till it gets worse so i can correct it

[tomlimcj]

sometimes, you stand and sight down the line. but when you go down on the shot, you may unknowingly go down off to the side of the line. then you will seem to cue across or away from the line instead of down the line.
sometimes, when you go down on the shot, you may still sight down the line, but your elbow goes off the line or body turns away from the shot, you will also not be cueing down the line.
its a struggle for most players to marry all these so that they all actually end up on the line. sigh...

[GeordieDS]

I had a look at the aim frame and it seemed to work, but i felt a bit daft when people were looking at me like i was mad

[tedisbill]

I had a look at the aim frame and it seemed to work, but i felt a bit daft when people were looking at me like i was mad

You are mad. They had just had proof today.

[Nic Barrow]

If the dominant eye theory is wrong, how come the world's best potters and break builders use one eye over the cue? Ronnie, Robbo, Trump, etc etc!

You say many players have even eye strength. This is nonsense, only 1% of the population have this trait. I agree with the idea of finding how strong a dominant eye is but choosing that eye is pretty obvious, given that it already does all the sighting and aiming in the player's everyday life! Why choose the opposite eye for example, that will only lead to confusion; the player will sight the shot with their dominant eye no matter, then play it with the other eye; this would be suicide not least because the cue will now be in the wrong plane, nevermind that they can't sight down the cue as well with the wrong eye because their dominant eye is attempting to sight the shot no matter because that's what the optic part of their brain prefers to do. Why put the optic part of the brain in conflict with the pre-frontal lobes - confusion in the player.

You're meant to be a top coach but this video is mumbo-jumbo to me. Produce a player who uses his 'other' eye to become world champion and I'll believe you.

I think you are wrong - did you watch the video above?
Very few players cue exclusively over one eye.
Many players who I test have the same strength in both eyes - that is the case in probably over 50% of players.
Most people (and based on your comments I think you are included in this category) confuse eye strength with eye 'dominance/preferedness' -
around 10% of the clients I test have a dominant eye that is weaker than the other.
SOME of those with same strength eyes see the ball best with the cue central between both eyes (EG Steve Davis and others), some favour one eye, even fewer cue under one eye exclusively.
The solution you offer is the biggest cause of sighting confusion, and gets me a huge amount of work helping people unravel incorrect eye alignment problems -
so an indirect thank you goes to you (although I wish I did not have any work from this issue as it ruins players' enjoyment of the game and is almost exclusively caused by listening to the dangerous advice that you give.

I can't produce a world champion - only the player can do that.
Allowing the player to find out their optimum eye position above the cue (instead of giving them a very damaging and inflexible dogma - whether that be from me, you or anyone else - about cueing only under one eye or the other) is vital to allow their cueing and overall game to flourish.