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    Ramon gave me an idea for a thread - Lots of aiming systems in pool and in America they seem like they are selling formulas to things - do we need them in snooker - are other players out there already doing things like this without even knowing or being able to describe it - I wonder? Anyway shoot me down I tried out something completely different for a laugh - here was tonight's findings.

    Just wondered if anyone uses the aiming theory called CTE in snooker?

    Now this is a hotly debated thing on a lot of pool forums apparently so I watched some video's by this guy called Stan who seemed very passionate about it so I thought why not do a little research and give it a try for a laugh on the snooker table. Nothing ventured nothing gained as it where.

    Now because of the terminology and translation its hard to get a meaning about it properly lots of pivot this 15 30 half ball pivot disguised pivot etc., and I did not really get what he meant properly but he said one phrase I remembered 'thinking in curves' a golf expression which I will come back to later.

    Anyway so there I was pivoting away stood up trying to pivot working out the angles standing up getting it all wrong and balls are flying around everywhere apart from the hole and well I just did not get it really but then I set up a few different shots and visualised the edge and started bringing the cue back from an off set to centre and then cueing through centre ball and bingo things started flying in - I started doing the half ball pivot thing and don't know if I exactly got it right all the time but it started becoming easier and easier so anyway I made a few tons in open play doing this with balls spread - please keep in mind I do this normally anyway - but the visualisation of this method started kicking in and I started seeing it more and more - to be honest it was surprising to me how enjoyable it was it felt a lot less effort the more I continued actually. Anyway its a worthy sighting/visualisation thing I think so I am going to stick with it a bit more and look into it a little deeper - shoot me down for saying it if you want - but I found it fun.

    Some pool playing guy called Hal? came up with and he swore by it. I don't think because of the Americanisms it translates well and I mixed it up with normal play at times but hey just saying there's something in it if you ask me. in my first hour I was missing simple 3 quarter blacks off the spot but by the end of the night - I remembered the phrase - thinking in curves - I lined the cue ball up edge to edge sighting centre ball brought the cue back from an off set angled position and then drove through straight and centred - I started spotting the different pivoting positions and suddenly everything was flying in and it was as if a light came on.

    Anyway this aiming theory is a bit woolly - or at least my understanding of it is and its hard to explain but the geometry of it works somehow - maybe it was a fluke - maybe it was just that I was on a generous club table tonight but regardless I enjoyed it and I think and its worth a bit more investigation. I would love to have a chat with anyone who knows what I mean or coaches this stuff - thanks.

  • #2
    Good read.
    I've heard about CTE a long time ago but never really took the time to analyse it further.

    Z

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    • #3
      Just watched on YouTube some pro pool players doing this, they seem to love it but as a snooker player doesn't moving on the shot like this go against every thing we've ever been taught. Don't Move On The Shot!
      Not saying it doesn't work but i think this would take a long long time to perfect, especially if your the wrong side of 40!

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      • #4
        Originally Posted by shafter View Post
        Just watched on YouTube some pro pool players doing this, they seem to love it but as a snooker player doesn't moving on the shot like this go against every thing we've ever been taught. Don't Move On The Shot!
        Not saying it doesn't work but i think this would take a long long time to perfect, especially if your the wrong side of 40!
        Yes I understand what you are saying - a lot of them seem to pot with rather poor technique or fundamentals as they call it and it does go against all the text book stuff but I can cue straight and stay still and so I thought I would give it a go on the snooker table see if the theory translated as I am only messing with it for a laugh really just to see what all the fuss was about. I had my doubts - still do - but I must say by the end of the night I was quite surprised how effective it was and although it took a while to click it did really click and I found it quite natural and it got easier to visualise the shots. There are different ways of doing it and I don't think the coaches translate well - no offence but they are American after all and there is a different lingo for things over there - English/side etc., - but I kind of get it - The one method I settled one does not involve moving in the stance - I was just cueing up initially from a slight offset position on the white relative to the shot I needed for a 15 - 30 - half ball pivot or to translate quarter ball - 3 quarter ball - half ball angled pivot - My bridge V was at centre ball and I cued at a slight offset on the white relative to the shot - felt a bit jimmy white-ish anyway as I drove through on the last pull back I went through straight at centre - its hard to explain the geometry of it but anyway it works.

        I will report back when I tried it out further I don't want to say this is the cure for all ill's and I am aware I was on a big pocket table and I can of course pot great from a normal snooker set up and perspective but I think it did and could add to my game and the benefits so far seem to be visualisation - the fact it is making me hit centre ball all the time on the final stroke and you can hit a definite contact point on each shot. I am thinking there are others that must do this actually - I am going to be watching more closely from now on.

        Is there anyone out there that knows what I am waffling on about or can help develop this thing further send me a pm please. Below is a quick and simple video that explains the principle briefly that Ramon posted.

        Last edited by Byrom; 18 November 2015, 03:10 PM.

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        • #5
          I have played 9ball pool for years prior to snooker and honestly have never heard of the term "aiming system" from any good player.It seems to appear only in some books, internet forums and instructional material. That stuff may be easy to sell to those who are looking for shortcuts. Most players want to get very good quickly with very little effort. Nothing new here.
          These systems are too complex. Thought process behind them is far too complicated.
          To get good, you need to spend good part of your life on the table and be constantly surrounded by good players. It is as simple as that.

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          • #6
            Originally Posted by ace man View Post
            I have played 9ball pool for years prior to snooker and honestly have never heard of the term "aiming system" from any good player.It seems to appear only in some books, internet forums and instructional material. That stuff may be easy to sell to those who are looking for shortcuts. Most players want to get very good quickly with very little effort. Nothing new here.
            These systems are too complex. Thought process behind them is far too complicated.
            To get good, you need to spend good part of your life on the table and be constantly surrounded by good players. It is as simple as that.
            I know what you mean, and I pretty much ignored it until I started hearing about pro players using this with some success. I've still kept my distance because of all the pivoting and stuff that seems so contrary to proper technique. I suppose it can't hurt to give it a go and maybe I'll get one of the pro-one dvd's to see how things go.

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            • #7
              Originally Posted by ace man View Post
              I have played 9ball pool for years prior to snooker and honestly have never heard of the term "aiming system" from any good player.It seems to appear only in some books, internet forums and instructional material. That stuff may be easy to sell to those who are looking for shortcuts. Most players want to get very good quickly with very little effort. Nothing new here.
              These systems are too complex. Thought process behind them is far too complicated.
              To get good, you need to spend good part of your life on the table and be constantly surrounded by good players. It is as simple as that.
              John Barton, poster boy for CTE. That is all anyone need know.

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              • #8
                Originally Posted by Hello, Mr Big Shot View Post
                John Barton, poster boy for CTE. That is all anyone need know.
                Barton, magic.
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                • #9
                  I have invited stan shuffet to join this board for years, but he won't. He prefers the low hanging fruit on AZB.

                  Anyway, everything you always wanted to know about aiming systems but were afraid to ask. And be afraid...

                  http://forums.azbilliards.com/forumdisplay.php?f=95

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                  • #10
                    Originally Posted by ace man View Post
                    I have played 9ball pool for years prior to snooker and honestly have never heard of the term "aiming system" from any good player.It seems to appear only in some books, internet forums and instructional material. That stuff may be easy to sell to those who are looking for shortcuts. Most players want to get very good quickly with very little effort. Nothing new here.
                    These systems are too complex. Thought process behind them is far too complicated.
                    To get good, you need to spend good part of your life on the table and be constantly surrounded by good players. It is as simple as that.
                    I have come across things - geometry principles - Dr Dave and stuff (and I aint knocking him) but additionally there is a whole host of aiming systems and thought wow some of these Americans don't half try and sell you a line.
                    However a closed book never gets read and what harm could it do - There are players out there that have searched all these things and more - trust me I know they would go from one coach to the next to the next and pick up bits from here and bits from there and everywhere.

                    This system sounds complicated but perhaps it is the language of explaining it that's hard for many - this shouting John Barton guy was a bit unwatchable and his technique clearly pants but then I watched him make a dozen or so angled pots down the rail and thought wow if this geezer can pot shots like that imagine what a guy with decent technique could do using it?

                    its not that hard really - it is easy actually these people just don't translate it all that well . all the shots kind of become one. Its just a different way to visualise the shot. Your potting angle is picked out at the white - thinking in curves - rather than at the object ball and it encourages you to cue straight through centre ball at a definite contact point - rather than guessing as you do with the ghost ball type theory. So anyway as these things go I think it could be adapted to snooker if not in full then in part and maybe is already in some quarters?

                    I don't know enough about it to advocate it myself mind and have only tried it out once and admit it took a while to click as I got it all wrong but it did click and it surprised me as it is totally different to anything I had done before but it does work.
                    Last edited by Byrom; 19 November 2015, 11:46 AM.

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                    • #11
                      Originally Posted by Hello, Mr Big Shot View Post
                      I have invited stan shuffet to join this board for years, but he won't. He prefers the low hanging fruit on AZB.

                      Anyway, everything you always wanted to know about aiming systems but were afraid to ask. And be afraid...

                      http://forums.azbilliards.com/forumdisplay.php?f=95
                      Be afraid? Why? -

                      I will join this forum and ask to speak with this Stan guy - thanks for the link - much appreciated.

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                      • #12
                        Originally Posted by Byrom View Post
                        I would love to have a chat with anyone who knows what I mean or coaches this stuff - thanks.
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                        I dream of a 147 (but would be happy with a 100)

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                        • #13
                          ha ha ha -

                          Only thing is this guy puts all the information about it online free anyway. Or he might be the Australian/American nic Barrow I don't know - I can only be polite and ask him to join this thread - Hopefully as long as we are a little polite to him and don't scare him off shouting its all crap man I don't believe it - learn to play like a proper snooker player etc.,. then he might come on and share a little insight. The guy seems a nice old gentleman so we shall see I can only ask him and he can only say yes or no.

                          I was only doing this CTE thing for a laugh but it is not a myth man it worked - as far as I could tell it did anyway and by the end of the night I was having a bit of fun with it - it certainly did enough to warrant further investigation anyway I think.
                          Last edited by Byrom; 19 November 2015, 01:17 AM.

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                          • #14
                            That sounds interesting. I'm going to try it on my pool table tomorrow. I'll report back on it tomorrow. It sounds like a hard concept to understand but the simplified video made sense to me.

                            I've just been playing league pool. I lost my singles match but won a doubles match. If anything can help then I'm prepared to try it.

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                            • #15
                              Originally Posted by jamesg19851 View Post
                              That sounds interesting. I'm going to try it on my pool table tomorrow. I'll report back on it tomorrow. It sounds like a hard concept to understand but the simplified video made sense to me.

                              I've just been playing league pool. I lost my singles match but won a doubles match. If anything can help then I'm prepared to try it.
                              Is this English pool where the white is smaller than the object ball? Because in American pool what these guys do the white is the same size as the object ball as it is in snooker - cant be certain as I don't know enough about it myself but at a guess I think that would make a difference to how this system works? - dunno/maybe? Let us know.

                              Yeah that simple video made more sense to me too - it takes a bit of practice to get the used to though. - gl
                              Last edited by Byrom; 19 November 2015, 01:26 AM.

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