Learn Potting Angles In Seconds...

[Nic Barrow]

How about saying nothing?

I have found the tone of the 'opinions' totally unwarranted. There has been no need for the negativity around this post. If you don't rate it fine, just don't buy it, but most of the replies mocking the product , and by implication, Nic, have gone too far in my opinion.

I felt that too...
But I would rather be in that position than in some of the countries I have travelled to where, for simply mentioning the wrong this, one faces a hard labour prison camp or death with no fair trail.

[Chappy5]

Hi Chappy, its form is not as relevant as the benefit it brings.
(Also - don't look at the almost £20,000 it cost me to develop this product as that is also irrelevant to you)
There are also 30 bonus videos inside the online area which are more than the sale price alone.
It's benefit is what should be looked at:
'Confirm or correct your vision centre, eye movements, angle recognition, and cueing feedback... whatever your standard'

Of course, some people DO NOT and WILL NEVER need this product to improve their game as they have no issue with the above points - although it may give peace of mind to confirm this for a pro level player.
But those players are so far and few between at less than pro standard.
Bear in mind that this very simple device (devised specifically to be as simple as possible - and we IGNORED the opportunity to make it more complicated to add 'perceived value')
If you watch the videos on the info page here http://www.thesnookergym.com/aim-frame-page you will see that this ghost ball extension method will not work - especially once you get into the thinner angles and increase the distance to the pockets.

Cheers for the reply Nic and i do like the concept of the idea mate.

I will probably buy one just to see what it can do and i am no expert on the game and always looking for ways to improve and this concept i can use at home which helps and also great for my kids.

There is always lots of negativity on here and that is to be expected from a public forum and i reckon 80% of the folks on here are self proclaimed 80+ average breakers going by a lot of comments i read!


Chee

[Nic Barrow]

So, is there any point in coaching at all then for those who just don't have the hand/eye co-ordination needed.
What do you think this aim frame will do for you that 1-2-1 coaching couldn't ?

Hi Vmax
I have found that it actually gets me out of work.
It usually works so quickly to get players recognising the correct potting angles that:
1. It is a relief to see that in the client
2. It humbles me into seeing the limitations of my own coaching techniques - I am simply unable to help people in their aiming as quickly as the Aim Frame tends to help them.

PS have you done the VMAX 200 days at Bruntingthorpe proving ground?

[Nic Barrow]

By your own admission you are pretty useless so how can you praise it?

I don't think he is praising or slating it.

[Nic Barrow]

I have neither praised it nor slated it. I have stated that in my opinion most people have missed the point of what the product is for and who it is aimed at.

Just because I am pretty useless with a highest break of 78 does not disqualify me from being able to see in a positive way what Nic is trying to do.

LOL I just posted the exact words... 'I dont think he is either praising or slating it'!

[Nic Barrow]

Pretty useless with a break of 78? I'd be more than happy with that, as you're 20 ahead of me and I thought I was doing alright

Yes 78 is not useless - that must be in the top 1% of people who have ever played snooker I would say.
Someone will probably prove me wrong though - in which case I will of course happily stand corrected!

[Nic Barrow]

And likewise if one sees it in a different light,I am positive it has little merit, satisfied?

What makes you positive?

[Nic Barrow]

Of course it is alright to not see any merit in it.

My assertion is that it isn't alright for folks to go on a public forum and mock the product, and by association, its creator, whilst at the same time completely missing what it is designed to do and who it is aimed at, just because the 'mockers' happen to be beyond the development stage that the device is designed to facilitate.

They almost certainly are not beyond the stage required for it ;-)
And I would be happy to hold a free half day for any doubters to come over and see how it worked.
I would need four of the members here who are skeptical to agree to it - as long as they were happy to go through the full process
All that would happen is that those players would confirm or correct their vision centre, angle recognition, and straight cueing feedback.
That would take a maximum of thirty minutes per player - although we could hang around a bit longer until the four hours was up to work on other things if that was needed by the players.
I would cover all the table fees here in Milton Keynes.
I doubt any player would view that as a bad thing?

[Nic Barrow]

Paid advertisement?

This was a paid advertisement Sixofclubs, and I think people realised that it wasn't in the coaching section just to help folk, it was here to flog us something and it may not have gone down well, Nic isn't exactly a regular helper on here but just appears when he has something to sell ( or that's how it Can appear) so maybe that's why the replies were a bit flippant.
To get to the product, if you are saying it's aimed at the total beginner I have a fear it may introduce some bad habits like looking at the ghost ball instead of the object ball, and even if it doesn't and you look at the object ball as you would on any other shot, what has it taught you that you couldn't figure out in two or three shots from a cue ball placed on a mark on the table and just repeating.

It is not paid - I just decided to open some threads.
I don't have time to post regularly (although I may if I begin to feel welcome!)
I didn't do it in an overly salesy way - more opening relevant topics and being here to answer the threads.
If people find that useful great, if they don't then they don't have to read my posts.

It is not aimed at beginner or advanced.
It aims simply to 'Confirm or correct your vision centre, angle recognition, and straight cueing feedback.... whatever your standard'
I have seen regular 100 break players benefit from it, as well as beginners.

The concern you have about bad habits is worthwhile to respond to .... while the impression may well be given that this is how it works, it actually is not.
The simple online videos that come with the product explain exactly how that process works.

Would I have opened these posts if I didn't have a product to launch?
No.
So I do hear what you are saying regarding 'the only reason he is on here is to flog something' -
maybe I will make some more general posts a bit more regularly to get and stay more involved.
The problem is that I don't always get email notifications - for example this forum that I started I got ZERO email notifications until someone told me I was getting slated yesterday! So I came on and responded.
That would make it much easier if I made a thread and got email notifications to them to that I can quickly reply.

Was it therefore wrong to make these posts and encourage discussion without being overly salesy?
That is up to you.
But thankfully we do have free speech in this country, where this kind of thing is allowed ;-)

[Nic Barrow]

This is kind of what happened with me, I started using it, then I just set up a ball as an aim ball, moved it if I was thick or thin accordingly, then I stopped using an aim ball completely because I realised I don't really have much of an aiming problem, more problem staying still on the shot. I do like this thing, I think it will helppeople, but it's going to be hard to sell for £30 because it seems to be a bit of card with holes in it.

It is not £30
It is not a piece of card
There are 30 online videos that WOULD sell for £30 on their own merit.

[Nic Barrow]

Its designed to make money pure and simple,as my moniker implies i also am fond of golf and the same thing applies ,the main motive is to make money i have a set of clubs i played with ten years ago and they are just perfect.if you think a piece of card can improve your game then i suggest you contact j6 as that WILL improve your game and i dont think its £30

It is not £30
Even if I sell 1,000 of these at £24.95 or so, I will still lose money on it due to development costs.
It went WAY over budget but I was unable to let the project go because I saw so many players benefit so quickly from it - I could not in good conscience bury it.

[Nic Barrow]

No. The 'mockers' just realise that the product won't help the people it is aimed at.

I think a lot of the mocking comes from the way the product was advertised. It doesn't sit well with people. It didn't take 4 years to create, and it absolutely will make the creator money. So people that have a good understanding of the game as well, use a bit of a sarcastic approach to their criticism because of the way it was presented to people.

It wasn't advertised - I simply opened threads to open debate.
It did take 4 years to create - as email threads will prove. Incorrectly claiming otherwise invalidates the work that went into it.
Due to development costs, I will lose money on it unless I sell more than 1,000 of them.

[Nic Barrow]

I think the product is a decent practice tool for the beginner. It can give you a good idea on where to hit or approx hit a ball on that particular potting angle.. but what I am not able to understand is that why it took Nic 4 years to put few holes in an A4 sheet..Lol?

And the price of the product!! I believe Nic is charging what the price could have been 5 years back (when he started working on this piece of paper) plus the compound interest of that price for the next 5 years..Hehehe.

If you knew what went into developing any product, it would not surprise you to learn that something can take four years to bring to market.
I simply cannot describe how difficult it was to get this to market.
But at least it succeeds in offering a simple solution - and it is this simplicity which took so much time to arrive at.
Bear in mind I took it to probably 15 -20 countries to test it with a wide variety of players - and then I would go back to my partners with feedback on how to improve it....
As an example, the video editing alone cost me around £3,000
And that is small change compared to the cost of developing and building 'Ronnie The Robot'
Then proper graphic design at £80 an hour, legal advice at 5 times that...
The costs were terrifying
I would be happy to have a phone discussion with you to take you through the process I went through....
I promise it will take less than ten minutes and not the full four years!
Drop me a pvt msg if you would like to do that.

[Nic Barrow]

Cheers for the reply Nic and i do like the concept of the idea mate.

I will probably buy one just to see what it can do and i am no expert on the game and always looking for ways to improve and this concept i can use at home which helps and also great for my kids.

There is always lots of negativity on here and that is to be expected from a public forum and i reckon 80% of the folks on here are self proclaimed 80+ average breakers going by a lot of comments i read!


Chee

Thankyou Chee
Is that your own kids - or kids in the club you play at?
The irony is that I have seen the principles in the product work with players who would expect to make at least 2 or 3 tons a day in practice.
You can see a testimonial of one of these players on the product info page
It is not only for beginners.
It simply 'Confirms or corrects your vision centre, angle recognition, and straight cueing feedback... whatever your standard'

[Chappy5]

Thankyou Chee
Is that your own kids - or kids in the club you play at?
The irony is that I have seen the principles in the product work with players who would expect to make at least 2 or 3 tons a day in practice.
You can see a testimonial of one of these players on the product info page
It is not only for beginners.
It simply 'Confirms or corrects your vision centre, angle recognition, and straight cueing feedback... whatever your standard'

Nah kids at home mate and i have my own 9ft x 4.5ft fully Snooker specced table at home.

It is the biggest i can fit, but genuine Snooker pockets at 1 and 3/4 inches wide and plays great with the full 15 1G Aramith set i use. I love it but need to go to the club for a 12 foot table.