Towards Perfect Cue Ball Control - The D Test

[jonny66]

Are you saying Barry White is all mouth and no trousers?

[alabadi]

yes i think so too,not a serious routine.

Reds to any pocket Pink to middle still difficult but good skilled players like yourself Pottr would manage it. for me if i attempt it i would have to pot reds and Pink into any pocket

[pottr]

I'm saying he was the Walrus of Love.

[pottr]

Let's say for arguments sake that ROS is the best player in the world...

He would not be able to complete that routine with every ball to middle more than 1/10 attempts. So I imagine it will take me between 100/500 attempts to do it.

[itsnoteasy]

To be honest I found it hard enough just potting the red balls in the middle and the pink in any bag only got to eight reds, once, but I hadn't had my back tablets so I was struggling a bit( snooker players and their excuses lol).

[mikeyd100]

To be honest I found it hard enough just potting the red balls in the middle and the pink in any bag only got to eight reds, once, but I hadn't had my back tablets so I was struggling a bit( snooker players and their excuses lol).

Don't forget those nasty kicks you got too

[barrywhite]

It's truly enlightening to see people slag off a routine and a thread and then spend hours obsessing over it. LOL!

Ah, .................................................. ...............................so, anyways, good luck to the members who are trying these routines. They're not dolly line ups, they're meant to be hard. If they help you pot that red that gets you to your first 50 or first ton, it will have been worth it, you will have put that target to bed. And you will have the memory of having achieved what you wanted which them makes the game so much easier and enjoyable. It's not easy but it's not impossible. For folk who are struggling to make a 50, 8R+Ps to the middles is pretty good going, i.e. a very good 56 break if you had no choice but to pot them to the middle. The important thing is not to obsess about what a very good or pro player brags about doing. It's about you having a go, maybe only doing 4R+Ps, and then using the routine occasionally (along with your other routines) to improve middle bag potting and positioning on one ball, the pink. You can't play for the tip of the triangle between Pink and Black, the so called area or teaplate. You've got to play exactly. Most of the time, we can play for areas in snooker to minimise risk and maximise options but sometimes in breaks we have no choice but to take a particular ball such as the Pink (when the black is tied up) and return to it. I've seen many pro players do this, on TV. Obviously, the will use all four pockets and sometimes 6 pockets, but the temptation if you're allowed to do that is to avoid the tricky middle bags and that's what I think some players (including myself at times) need to get over. I've seen players stun off two angles with side to get on the black and I've said, why didn't you just roll the pink in for automatic position on the next red, it would have involved less effort and risk. They tell me they don't like to play roll shots. I'm like, dude, if you believe in your cue action, rolls aren't a problem, or you could play it firmer with some drag. Oh no, I don't like middle bags is the answer in their silence. Belief in cue action and accuracy and cue ball control is necessary for improving.

Train to Fail. Failure is good, it provides answers for improvement. Doing the same things badly will maintain a level. Depends what you want from your game of course and happiness if the deciding factor.

[pottr]

Not saying this to knock you, but good players will always try to avoid rolling balls. It's nothing to do with worrying about your action, it's because when you roll balls, you are more likely to encounter a kick, have the white or OB roll off a finger mark or even encounter a roll on the table.

So, was that routine:

a) all balls into middle bags
or
b) reds into any pocket with just pinks to middle bags?

A short rebuttal will suffice, my friend.

If you RE READ, I said that pinks routine was decent. Your analysis of how important it was to improvement and the self righteous way you've promoted every other thing you have said on this thread is what got my goat... pro's do this, q school guys, blah blah blah... I mean, you posted the routine and no one even understood how it was to be attempted ffs!

so... was it A or B?

Thanks in advance,

your pal
Jack xxxxx

[ace man]

Welcome back pottr. Came back for more torturing drills?

Myself, I'll stick to normal or relatively easy routines. No point in spending hours on something which is too difficult. All this talk of extremely difficult routines reminds me of a former club mate of mine who used to put all 21 balls on the middle string and tried to pot them all as straight in pots from behind the baulk line. Light years off of his level, but he was stubborn, always started with the most difficult one closest to the cushion. Used to spend hours on that single ball sometimes. He also used to put black ball on its spot and tried to pot it from D. Sometimes he even tried potting black to the yellow side from yellow spot....
He thought that classic lineups were too easy. Not that he ever demostrated this.
Reasoning was that if you could finish extremely difficult drill, that easy ones will become even easier. Well, it clearly doesn't work that way.

[pottr]

Welcome back pottr. Came back for more torturing drills?

Cheers Ace, hope you're good, brother. Sorted some things out in life, personal, professional and mental. It hurt me to put snooker on the back burner over the last few months but now I am keen and ready to drill the **** out of the drills

Myself, I'll stick to normal or relatively easy routines. No point in spending hours on something which is too difficult. All this talk of extremely difficult routines reminds me of a former club mate of mine who used to put all 21 balls on the middle string and tried to pot them all as straight in pots from behind the baulk line. Light years off of his level, but he was stubborn, always started with the most difficult one closest to the cushion. Used to spend hours on that single ball sometimes. He also used to put black ball on its spot and tried to pot it from D. Sometimes he even tried potting black to the yellow side from yellow spot....

I have seen this many times over in my life. While I have no sympathy for your club mate who was clearly over estimating his own abilities, you do see a lot of young players taking on drills they have no business attempting. It's usually on the advice of so called expert players. Y'know... the guy who got to the last 32 of the town championships and made a 30 break in a game of pairs while they were drawing the Tote in the local working mens club. Just before Geoff knocked his pork scratching into his pint and everyone laughed... He was always like that, old Geoff...

The journey of a thousand miles begins with a single footstep... Problem is, no one wants to walk

[markz]

It's truly enlightening to see people slag off a routine and a thread and then spend hours obsessing over it. LOL!

It's like a car crash, it's hard not to rubberneck. I keep dropping in to check out your videos barry.

[tomwalker147]

I have seen this many times over in my life. While I have no sympathy for your club mate who was clearly over estimating his own abilities, you do see a lot of young players taking on drills they have no business attempting. It's usually on the advice of so called expert players. Y'know... the guy who got to the last 32 of the town championships and made a 30 break in a game of pairs while they were drawing the Tote in the local working mens club. Just before Geoff knocked his pork scratching into his pint and everyone laughed... He was always like that, old Geoff...

Too many of these experts about! I talked to probably half a dozen of them on one visit to the club last week, giving me advice... I was thinking "i've never seen you make a 30 break", thanks but no thanks

[pottr]

But wait a minute, Tom! Sir Alex Ferguson wasn't the greatest footballer... That's usually the next argument. Jose Mourinho, Tom!

They were still both professional footballers for over a decade of their lives... But still... Somehow it fits?

[barrywhite]

Not saying this to knock you, but good players will always try to avoid rolling balls. It's nothing to do with worrying about your action, it's because when you roll balls, you are more likely to encounter a kick, have the white or OB roll off a finger mark or even encounter a roll on the table.

So, was that routine:

a) all balls into middle bags
or
b) reds into any pocket with just pinks to middle bags?

A short rebuttal will suffice, my friend.

If you RE READ, I said that pinks routine was decent. Your analysis of how important it was to improvement and the self righteous way you've promoted every other thing you have said on this thread is what got my goat... pro's do this, q school guys, blah blah blah... I mean, you posted the routine and no one even understood how it was to be attempted ffs!

so... was it A or B?

Thanks in advance,

your pal
Jack xxxxx

Pot them all in the middles if you can, reds and pinks. Potting the reds into the black pockets would make it to easy.

[barrywhite]

Too many of these experts about! I talked to probably half a dozen of them on one visit to the club last week, giving me advice... I was thinking "i've never seen you make a 30 break", thanks but no thanks

Ronnie takes advice, changes and loosens his grip to improve his long ball potting like robbo. Hey presto, he's potting long balls like a dream. The advice came from someone not as good as him. Expert Steve Davis says he is still learning about the game. The less than greatest don't need to learn anything. I guess that's why they're top pros?