Towards Perfect Cue Ball Control - The D Test

[LucLex3119]

anyway, to start an argument.... only kidding :wink:
was it not at the same time Les had the pockets on his table opened up a bit more that he started potting more balls :biggrin:

I don't know Dean, maybe it was the bigger pockets that helped Les or maybe it was the easy basic routines I gave him. I only told him what my brother and I was told by Barry Pinches who is another good pro, and those routines helped us. My brother is a better player than me and takes the game a bit more seriously and he still practices those basic routines when he's at the table.

[ace man]

Does it matter if the routine is NOT done by a pro?

Yes it does matter. A lot. And yes, a word of a pro player carries a lot of weight. Word of anonymous poster online, no matter how good at snooker he may be...not so much.

[barrywhite]

Maybe we should only do Ronnie's routines because he's the greatest ever, they'd be superior to everyone else's? Arguing about the superiority of routines is pointless, better off just doing them! Mine are used by a former pro who went to the semi of a ranker and has hit over 100 maxis and two other players of great repute and a WS coach. Does that make them superior? Of course not, it simply suggests that they work. You try them and if it helps, great. If it doesn't, look for other answers. Turning it into my dad is bigger than yours would be childish.

You will always need to pot middle bag shots. If you have trouble with those, sort it! The V will help, the 3/4 line up will help a lot. If you don't have problems with the middle bag, don't do the routine! If Frazz wants to post some videos of the D, V and 3/4 line-up that would be great, to see how a pro does it.

There is no routine or test that is pointless because every conceivable shot comes up in snooker. So be ready. It's not about what a pro does, it's about YOUR game. If you have weaknesses, address those weaknesses first, improve YOUR weapons.

And if folk want to suggest alternative ways of improving middle bag shots, go ahead, provide some positivity.

[tomwalker147]

Back to the original post, I did the challenge you posted Barry and also did it clearing the colours in sequence without the cue ball leaving the D.

It doesn't have much relevance to a proper frame of snooker but it's a fun challenge and to be fair I needed practice into the middles. It was quite funny I played my league match after practicing last night and left a brown into the middle, screwed it in with side in and out of baulk for the blue and completed the clearance

[LucLex3119]

Yes it does matter. A lot. And yes, a word of a pro player carries a lot of weight. Word of anonymous poster online, no matter how good at snooker he may be...not so much.

I'm not saying the word of a pro doesn't carry weight. I'm just agreeing with Barry because to me there is no routine on a table that won't help you in some way.

These anonymous posters you refer to could be anyone, pros, coaches, or the best amateurs out there. They could as Barry does get their info from the countries best amateur players who used to be pros. I know of 3 such players in his area.
Take the routines I get from Barry Pinches ranked 81 in the world, should I just listen to him because he is better than everyone else on this forum? Going by your previous post I should.

My point is this, just because someone posts a routine on here that has helped him cue better it doesn't mean it's bad because a pro ranked 111 says it's no good.

[LucLex3119]

Back to the original post, I did the challenge you posted Barry and also did it clearing the colours in sequence without the cue ball leaving the D.

It doesn't have much relevance to a proper frame of snooker but it's a fun challenge and to be fair I needed practice into the middles. It was quite funny I played my league match after practicing last night and left a brown into the middle, screwed it in with side in and out of baulk for the blue and completed the clearance

Do people need any more proof than that.

You did contradict yourself there by saying it has no relevance to a match but then go on to say it helped in a league match when you left yourself a brown to the middle

[barrywhite]

Back to the original post, I did the challenge you posted Barry and also did it clearing the colours in sequence without the cue ball leaving the D.

It doesn't have much relevance to a proper frame of snooker but it's a fun challenge and to be fair I needed practice into the middles. It was quite funny I played my league match after practicing last night and left a brown into the middle, screwed it in with side in and out of baulk for the blue and completed the clearance

If you did Y, G, B in sequence, that's unreal. Not goading here, but I'd love to see that on youtube simply for the explanation of how to do it, no pressure! I'm gonna have to think about how you did it but I can't get to a table until tomorrow! Damn. Glad it helped you win that frame. Well done chum. GET IN!

[tomwalker147]

If you did Y, G, B in sequence, that's unreal. Not goading here, but I'd love to see that on youtube simply for the explanation of how to do it, no pressure! I'm gonna have to think about how you did it but I can't get to a table until tomorrow! Damn. Glad it helped you win that frame. Well done chum. GET IN!

Thanks Barry, you're right I did contradict myself!

It's all about getting the shot on the yellow right. I'll look to post a video in the next week or so

[barrywhite]

Thanks Barry, you're right I did contradict myself!

It's all about getting the shot on the yellow right. I'll look to post a video in the next week or so

Superb bud, that's a hell of a shot.

[markz]

Frazz is wasting his time on this forum, there are obviously too many good players with much more knowledge than he has here already. I know he doesn't come on here very often but he's given some advice and routines that he feels would be better for your average snooker player to pick up the small touch shots, rather than the OP challenge.

Tom did great getting the challenge done in sequence but he's a regular ton player, that's not the average level on here. Anyone fancy posting a video of doing the challenge in reverse order B G Y just for bit of fun?

[LucLex3119]

Thanks Barry, you're right I did contradict myself!

It's all about getting the shot on the yellow right. I'll look to post a video in the next week or so

It wasn't Barry who said you contradicted yourself!

[tomwalker147]

Flicking between this forum and trying to work is tricky haha

That sounds difficult Markz, i'll give it a go tonight though and see if one of the lads will record it!

[markz]

Flicking between this forum and trying to work is tricky haha

That sounds difficult Markz, i'll give it a go tonight though and see if one of the lads will record it!

If you manage that Tom I'll PayPal you a tenner so you and pottr can have a pint lol

[barrywhite]

Flicking between this forum and trying to work is tricky haha

That sounds difficult Markz, i'll give it a go tonight though and see if one of the lads will record it!

Someone else havin a go and smiling? It's not difficult is it? lol

Ronnie blobbed a red into the middle today, frame ball, regulation ball. Even the greatest can miss to middle bags. That's another reason for everyone to pay attention to them with a wee routine if they find they're missing a few, even ton and maxi breakers. Like I said before, these routines are appreciated by those who've been there and worn the t-shirt. As are Frazz's routines, it's not a competition.

[frazz]

I'm not saying the word of a pro doesn't carry weight. I'm just agreeing with Barry because to me there is no routine on a table that won't help you in some way.

These anonymous posters you refer to could be anyone, pros, coaches, or the best amateurs out there. They could as Barry does get their info from the countries best amateur players who used to be pros. I know of 3 such players in his area.
Take the routines I get from Barry Pinches ranked 81 in the world, should I just listen to him because he is better than everyone else on this forum? Going by your previous post I should.

My point is this, just because someone posts a routine on here that has helped him cue better it doesn't mean it's bad because a pro ranked 111 says it's no good.

I am sorry does my point not hold much weight cause am currently ranked 111? Does it help my argument if I tell u I was 71 last season? Finished 40 in ptc rankings? Got to last 32 of uk, last 16 of Paul hunter classic, last 32 in Bulgaria and mullheim ptc, beat Stuart Bingham 4-0, beat Matthew stevens, jamie Jones, Ryan day, jimmy white, had 138 and 139 total clearances against ryan day and mark selby. Maybe my point holds more weight now?