sighting

[Ramon]

I honestly can't find any shot he even half looks like he's looking at the cue ball, I will look for a shot at an angle or a long pot but they are few and far between to get eyes and balls in the shot.

No one can !! you're not the only one .
You can'nt notice a eye movemnt of 0.5 second with ur eyes ( is impossible ).
You need to frs the camera with slowmotion .

[itsnoteasy]

What do you mean 0.05 of a second, he's either looking at the cue ball as his cue comes through or he's looking at the object ball, are you saying he's looking at the object ball right through his forward stroke, then in a split second just at the point of impact he goes cue ball then back to object ball,sorry I'm not having that.
I would also check your timings on the two pics you posted, if Higgins cue is on the move in those two pics there isn't a second between the two IMO , if that's the point of contact his cue is at its fastest, his cue and the cue ball will have moved quite a bit in a second.

[Ramon]

What do you mean 0.05 of a second, he's either looking at the cue ball as his cue comes through or he's looking at the object ball, are you saying he's looking at the object ball right through his forward stroke, then in a split second just at the point of impact he goes cue ball then back to object ball,sorry I'm not having that.

The time he's swich his eyes from CB to the OB is les than 0.5 second . You can'nt notice that with ur eyes . ( that's why you thought those 2 photo's i uploaded wr the same photo's an the same situation ).
Yes , if he was keeping his eyes on CB ( let's say about 4/5 seconds ), than i would say u gonna have to see it . But he does'nt .
in case u do'nt know , I could'nt see it either until i used slowmotion . ( read prvs posts please ).

[itsnoteasy]

There isn't a second between those pictures Ramon, just not possible IMO. Plus he is clearly looking at the object ball in both pictures, to me it's obvious where he's looking but if others think different I'm willing to be proved wrong.
Just to be clear, you are definitely saying He is object ball all the time then in a split second as he contacts the cue ball he goes cue ball back to object ball?
Just add one last thing then I will call it quits, look at Higgins cue in both your pics Ramon , it's hardly moved, if at all through his bridge hand, if they were a second appart more cue would be through in the second picture.

[markz]

First video I looked at on YouTube. Only watched Johns first two shots and both looked OB to me, first one his brow moves up and down but eyes don't leave OB.

http://youtu.be/rno_IqjPNCE

[Ramon]

There isn't a second between those pictures Ramon, just not possible IMO. Plus he is clearly looking at the object ball in both pictures, to me it's obvious where he's looking but if others think different I'm willing to be proved wrong.
Just to be clear, you are definitely saying He is object ball all the time then in a split second as he contacts the cue ball he goes cue ball back to object ball?

you have to download one of those which gonna cost u about 40 mark .
https://www.wondershare.com/multimed...-software.html

Of crs , u gonna need a laptop which can handel it ( the software )
That's gonna cost u also money .
And than , u can prove your own Wrong .

and no . It's not what i said. He keep his eyes on CB ( about 1/2 seconds ) at the time of striking . Whitin 0.05 second ( sumthing u can'nt see , which is whay u think he's looking at OB ) he swich his eyes on OB and flw him .
Of crs, as i said in prvs posts . He does'nt do it with every shot but most of the shot's.
Sumthing I find very strange .
perhaps , that's why C Henry said , JH is a CB/OB player ???
Who knows !!

[cantpotforshíte]

I thought we'd all known for years that Higgins flicks his eyes to the cueball these days. It's very obvious on some shots when watching it in real time on the telly, the photographic quality, frame rate and resolution, now on the BBC is light years ahead of what is was a few years ago and it seems pretty clear to me.
The main point was made very eloquently by Pottr and that is that if you're thinking about where your eyes are looking then you're doing it wrong.
Snooker feels so much purer when you are lined up and simply potting the balls with your elbow. If you try and focus your eyes on a point you will subconsciously steer the cue and pot the balls even if you're not quite lined up (or miss the other way) and then you won't get the correct feedback to get lined up correctly the next time you get down for a similar shot.
I have seen some of Higgin's shots on youtube where it's clear even with lesser quality video that he flicks his eyes to the cueball on the strike. He certainly didn't use to, so changed sometime in the past. And if he can world titles with both sighting techniques, I reckon it proves that it doesn't matter that much.
If I have some time tomorrow I'll try and find some examples and post the links. I'm pretty sure that Mark Williams does the same, and Ronnie definitely does it on long pots and occasionally in the balls now. I'll try and find shots of each where it's clear where they're looking and I'll try to find a way of posting the clips and you can judge for yourselves, just in case I'm looking for something that isn't there.
But you're still better off looking at these player's eyes next time you are watching snooker live on the BBC ... a big screen and high quality makes it clearer.
It's most important that you just don't think about it, your eyes work best when they are in a state of relaxed awareness, and when they are in that state they are looking back and forth, quite quickly and effortlessly and without any straining or conscious focus.

[Ramon]

I thought we'd all known for years that Higgins flicks his eyes to the cueball these days. It's very obvious on some shots when watching it in real time on the telly, the photographic quality, frame rate and resolution, now on the BBC is light years ahead of what is was a few years ago and it seems pretty clear to me.
The main point was made very eloquently by Pottr and that is that if you're thinking about where your eyes are looking then you're doing it wrong.
Snooker feels so much purer when you are lined up and simply potting the balls with your elbow. If you try and focus your eyes on a point you will subconsciously steer the cue and pot the balls even if you're not quite lined up (or miss the other way) and then you won't get the correct feedback to get lined up correctly the next time you get down for a similar shot.
I have seen some of Higgin's shots on youtube where it's clear even with lesser quality video that he flicks his eyes to the cueball on the strike. He certainly didn't use to, so changed sometime in the past. And if he can world titles with both sighting techniques, I reckon it proves that it doesn't matter that much.
If I have some time tomorrow I'll try and find some examples and post the links. I'm pretty sure that Mark Williams does the same, and Ronnie definitely does it on long pots and occasionally in the balls now. I'll try and find shots of each where it's clear where they're looking and I'll try to find a way of posting the clips and you can judge for yourselves, just in case I'm looking for something that isn't there.
But you're still better off looking at these player's eyes next time you are watching snooker live on the BBC ... a big screen and high quality makes it clearer.
It's most important that you just don't think about it, your eyes work best when they are in a state of relaxed awareness, and when they are in that state they are looking back and forth, quite quickly and effortlessly and without any straining or conscious focus.

yeah , It's true . I saw sum of his old matches . And he did'nt do that .
Very strange lol .

[itsnoteasy]

I look forward to it Cantpot.

[cantpotforshíte]

yeah , It's true . I saw sum of his old matches . And he did'nt do that .
Very strange lol .

I have heard that John Higgins is self coached (but I don't know). It could be that some years ago he decided, either consciously or subconsciously, that because of the super fast slippy cloths that they play on, that hitting the centre of the white ball was of greater importance and so therefore merited a little more attention.

[Ramon]

I have heard that John Higgins is self coached (but I don't know). It could be that some years ago he decided, either consciously or subconsciously, that because of the super fast slippy cloths that they play on, that hitting the centre of the white ball was of greater importance and so therefore merited a little more attention.

yeah , sumthing i heard too.
yes , that could be . Maybe sumthing in his mind ? anyway, it works for him an he can play very well .
To be honest, i think u made a very good point in ur prvs post. I think every player just have to play an let the brain decide for him.
the les u think in this game the better u play imo.

[winphenom]

Could it be due to age mates? I feel that as we grow older, our eyes are not as adapt to the speed of our flicking between balls and our cue action. It is quite tedious and reflective too as our eye muscles are slacking. This could make for a slight change in focussing more on cue ball. My opinions only. Cheers.

[Ramon]

Could it be due to age mates? I feel that as we grow older, our eyes are not as adapt to the speed of our flicking between balls and our cue action. It is quite tedious and reflective too as our eye muscles are slacking. This could make for a slight change in focussing more on cue ball. My opinions only. Cheers.

Good point .
That could be . Indeed .

[Catch 22]

Tbh I think it's obvious in real time just watching one of his matches even without frame by frame technology .

Not that it matters though . Only posted it to share what I found with the app .

[inevermissblue]

I look at the CB too!