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[Hello, Mr Big Shot]

How many cue sports use the term deflection or squirt?

I've never heard a snooker player use those terms . Or any uk 8ball players . Or any of the old billiard players either .

I've only heard it used for American pool myself . Not sure about others . I know Americans in general use that terminology but I've not heard players of the respective sports use it

Sort of like playing with "English " .ive only heard that used by American pool players . I've only ever heard the term "side" used for any other cue sport

Come to think of it


Bank shot ...... Double
Draw ..............screw

Are these terms used exclusively for American pool or would Americans use these terms for all cue sports ?

No, but that is not the point. The point is precise and descriptive words already exist to describe specific actions, so why reinvent the wheel?

The vast majority of British players don't know throw even exists, let alone that there is a word for it. Most don't know deflection (or squirt) exists, either. They've had their cue for years. They've played the same game for years. They've talked to big Dave down the dog n duck about the game for years. Their minds are not for changing or opening.

Don't fall into the trap of thinking this is an Americanism, either. Virtually all cue sports use this terminology - there is a wide world out there - it is only parochial britain that lags behind. snooker and English pool makes up a tiny fraction of cue sports around the world - something many around here are wholly ignorant of.

[golferson123]

No, but that is not the point. The point is precise and descriptive words already exist to describe specific actions, so why reinvent the wheel?

The vast majority of British players don't know throw even exists, let alone that there is a word for it. Most don't know deflection (or squirt) exists, either. They've had their cue for years. They've played the same game for years. They've talked to big Dave down the dog n duck about the game for years. Their minds are not for changing or opening.

Don't fall into the trap of thinking this is an Americanism, either. Virtually all cue sports use this terminology - there is a wide world out there - it is only parochial britain that lags behind. snooker and English pool makes up a tiny fraction of cue sports around the world - something many around here are wholly ignorant of.

bla bla bla, how kind of you to educate us, how does it feel not to have a language called canadian! but feel free to correct us

[Hello, Mr Big Shot]

Kick shot .....CB hit cushion first (I think)

This is rather a good example of what i mean. You may not like the word "kick" per se, but it at least describes the action that is occurring. What do snooker players say in similar situations?

Better to have single words describing single actions than rely on convoluted vagaries like "he's trying to get out of this snooker by coming off the side cushion and baulk cushion and just land on the red".

Even worse is the commentators' attempts to describe throw: "He can create the potting angle with side". "He can straighten the red up with side", "He can turn the red over with left of centre cueing" and a whole host of other nonsensical phrases that people pick out of their arse.

Better to have precise and defined terminology that people can understand.

What is the word for an attempt to hit a ball after first hitting a cushion in snooker? I don't know.
What is the word for using a spinning CB to alter the path of the OB in snooker? I don't know.

In the rest of the cue sport world, they are 'kick' and 'throw' respectively.

[Hello, Mr Big Shot]

bla bla bla, how kind of you to educate us, how does it feel not to have a language called canadian! but feel free to correct us

Some need a LOT of correction. And some will NEVER see.

[golferson123]

Some need a LOT of correction. And some will NEVER see.

so you are the corrector and i am blind! all typed in english! not canadian

[markz]

This is rather a good example of what i mean. You may not like the word "kick" per se, but it at least describes the action that is occurring. What do snooker players say in similar situations?

Better to have single words describing single actions than rely on convoluted vagaries like "he's trying to get out of this snooker by coming off the side cushion and baulk cushion and just land on the red".

Even worse is the commentators' attempts to describe throw: "He can create the potting angle with side". "He can straighten the red up with side", "He can turn the red over with left of centre cueing" and a whole host of other nonsensical phrases that people pick out of their arse.

Better to have precise and defined terminology that people can understand.

What is the word for an attempt to hit a ball after first hitting a cushion in snooker? I don't know.
What is the word for using a spinning CB to alter the path of the OB in snooker? I don't know.

In the rest of the cue sport world, they are 'kick' and 'throw' respectively.

The site is called the snooker forum so rightly we use snooker terminology, no need to try and educate all of us that play the game. We are happy using our own terms. I'm sure the Rocket doesn't say he draws the ball back for good shape.

[bolton-cueman]

This is rather a good example of what i mean. You may not like the word "kick" per se, but it at least describes the action that is occurring. What do snooker players say in similar situations?

Better to have single words describing single actions than rely on convoluted vagaries like "he's trying to get out of this snooker by coming off the side cushion and baulk cushion and just land on the red".

Even worse is the commentators' attempts to describe throw: "He can create the potting angle with side". "He can straighten the red up with side", "He can turn the red over with left of centre cueing" and a whole host of other nonsensical phrases that people pick out of their arse.

Better to have precise and defined terminology that people can understand.

What is the word for an attempt to hit a ball after first hitting a cushion in snooker? I don't know.
What is the word for using a spinning CB to alter the path of the OB in snooker? I don't know.

In the rest of the cue sport world, they are 'kick' and 'throw' respectively.

shush, you silly sausage.

[Catch 22]

This is rather a good example of what i mean. You may not like the word "kick" per se, but it at least describes the action that is occurring. What do snooker players say in similar situations?

Better to have single words describing single actions than rely on convoluted vagaries like "he's trying to get out of this snooker by coming off the side cushion and baulk cushion and just land on the red".

Even worse is the commentators' attempts to describe throw: "He can create the potting angle with side". "He can straighten the red up with side", "He can turn the red over with left of centre cueing" and a whole host of other nonsensical phrases that people pick out of their arse.

Better to have precise and defined terminology that people can understand.

What is the word for an attempt to hit a ball after first hitting a cushion in snooker? I don't know.
What is the word for using a spinning CB to alter the path of the OB in snooker? I don't know.

In the rest of the cue sport world, they are 'kick' and 'throw' respectively.

Snooker players would say "cushion first ". As in "he played that red cushion first ". You say "kick" explains what is happening . I disagree because I wouldn't say a ball coming off a cushion could be described as a kick .

But I would describe a ball hitting a cushion and then making contact with the OB as "cushion first "

[Catch 22]

Simla to "scratch " .....did the ball get scratched as it fell into the pocket . No ..........but it did go "in off" the object ball


P.s not trying to be a d1ck .....just a bit of pond banter

[itsnoteasy]

Show some respect to the game and use snooker phrases, you can use all the pool phrases you want on the pool forum. Kick in snooker means something completely different. English doesn't mean anything, but side describes where you are hitting the cue ball. He can throw the ball in, sounds very much like a foul shot to me and the phrase he can make good shape by doing a kick shot using English to throw the ball in, doesn't sound like snooker to me, it grates on me using Americanisms if I'm honest.

[Catch 22]

No, but that is not the point. The point is precise and descriptive words already exist to describe specific actions, so why reinvent the wheel?

The vast majority of British players don't know throw even exists, let alone that there is a word for it. Most don't know deflection (or squirt) exists, either. They've had their cue for years. They've played the same game for years. They've talked to big Dave down the dog n duck about the game for years. Their minds are not for changing or opening.

Don't fall into the trap of thinking this is an Americanism, either. Virtually all cue sports use this terminology - there is a wide world out there - it is only parochial britain that lags behind. snooker and English pool makes up a tiny fraction of cue sports around the world - something many around here are wholly ignorant of.

That's not fair tbh . There is not a thing about cue ball control and spin effects that good players of English billiards do not know .

Incidentally ....we use the word "side" and Americans use the term "English " because when the leather tip was first invented in England and in 1823 English players went to America and taught American players how to play with side using these new leather tips .....so Americans coined their own phrase "English "


Enough from me ...sorry about the spam

[golferson123]

Show some respect to the game and use snooker phrases, you can use all the pool phrases you want on the pool forum. Kick in snooker means something completely different. English doesn't mean anything, but side describes where you are hitting the cue ball. He can throw the ball in, sounds very much like a foul shot to me and the phrase he can make good shape by doing a kick shot using English to throw the ball in, doesn't sound like snooker to me, it grates on me using Americanisms if I'm honest.

even worse, you don't say canadianism! don't know if that's a real word lol. honestly do we need educating to what words we use to explain snooker terminology, we can differ but only if we agree to differ, i agree to differ, any offers?

[Ramon]

No, but that is not the point. The point is precise and descriptive words already exist to describe specific actions, so why reinvent the wheel?

The vast majority of British players don't know throw even exists, let alone that there is a word for it. Most don't know deflection (or squirt) exists, either. They've had their cue for years. They've played the same game for years. They've talked to big Dave down the dog n duck about the game for years. Their minds are not for changing or opening.

Don't fall into the trap of thinking this is an Americanism, either. Virtually all cue sports use this terminology - there is a wide world out there - it is only parochial britain that lags behind. snooker and English pool makes up a tiny fraction of cue sports around the world - something many around here are wholly ignorant of.

well , what you're saying here is very strange .
most of the greatst players (in the history of cue sport) came from UK.
So, they do'nt talked dr Dave down.
And they do know what deflection is .
What they say is , each cue has its own deflection and each player is able to adjust his technique to that.
Like what great S Davis or S Hendry did for many yrs.
aren't you a little biased with your judgement here ??

[Hello, Mr Big Shot]

Snooker players would say "cushion first ". As in "he played that red cushion first ". You say "kick" explains what is happening . I disagree because I wouldn't say a ball coming off a cushion could be described as a kick .

But I would describe a ball hitting a cushion and then making contact with the OB as "cushion first "

You misunderstand. It's not that kick describes the action itself, it's that there is a name for the shot.

Q. "Why did selby foul?"
A. "He went cushion first and missed"

Q. Why did Reyes foul?
A. He kicked and missed.

It is about having specific words that describe specific actions.

[jrc750]

You misunderstand. It's not that kick describes the action itself, it's that there is a name for the shot.

Q. "Why did selby foul?"
A. "He went cushion first and missed"

Q. Why did Reyes foul?
A. He kicked and missed.

It is about having specific words that describe specific actions.

I'm sorry but kick means nothing to me, cushion first is what's it's always been described as