Cueing at the Speed of Sound

[Cannonball]

I think Saluc use vacuum pressure injection method and not gravity feed.
Seen they mold three balls at a time with thick stems which are then cut and the balls ground and polished off

Exactly, and that's how they can adjust the density of the material and thus weight from 128g (Premiere) to 142g (TC) in the same mould.

[itsnoteasy]

I think Saluc use vacuum pressure injection method and not gravity feed.
Seen they mold three balls at a time with thick stems which are then cut and the balls ground and polished off

They used to Dean but now it's just an exact amount dropped into a glass bubble( for want of a better expression) and they are made individually, I can't find the film I watched where the resin is put into the glass but this shows you that they are made separately now.
https://youtu.be/Wo9T-bMdTh0

[Cannonball]

VMax, I have the SCs at home now, they needed a good wash, Aramith restore, then Aramith cleaner. They look lovely. I weighed them all together and they came out a smidge over 139g on average. How much should they weigh? A daft question in one way because they're no longer made and haven't been for a long time.

[itsnoteasy]

Think I read 142 g for SC

[bolton-cueman]

a few weeks away and I see that history is repeating itself again

pictures of ball collections, anyone?

[Cannonball]

Think I read 142 g for SC

Cheers bud.

Bolton, where you been man?! I'll post a pic soon enough, keep your trollies on. :biggrin-new:

You ready to salivate Toasty Marmite?

[itsnoteasy]

a few weeks away and I see that history is repeating itself again

pictures of ball collections, anyone?

I really liked the different sets of balls thread, it wasn't rocket science but it was a nice quiet thread with plenty of pictures for the hard of understanding

[Cannonball]

I really liked the different sets of balls thread, it wasn't rocket science but it was a nice quiet thread with plenty of pictures for the hard of understanding

For the hard of understanding, LOL

[Cannonball]

Just for you toasty marmite, and Bolton. :angel:

[Hello, Mr Big Shot]

I really liked the different sets of balls thread, it wasn't rocket science but it was a nice quiet thread with plenty of pictures for the hard of understanding

Here you go. Notice how the septics are welcoming of foreigners, with virtually no Einstein's making nonce accusations.

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=421609

[vmax4steve]

If those are your SC's then they have cleaned and polished up really well, welcome to virtually kick free snooker, now all we have to do is get Shaun Murphy on our side and he can forget about his oil in the cloth theory and have a go at Barry Hearn.
I'm surprised that Davis and co haven't said anything about it to be honest, they all played in the SC era and didn't get all these bad contacts and kicks that are happening now. You only have to apply a little cold hard logic to your forty years of experience to understand what's happening, but dare they bite the hand that feeds is what I'm thinking.

As for the weight I'm unsure, about 141 ish would be my guess, you occasionally had a light cue ball and changed it, but to be honest a couple of grammes is unnoticeable in an SC set. The blue in mine is 143.5 but you sure don't feel it when playing run through's. These PR pro 1 g's are yet another attempt to stop the kicks and bad contacts, but it's still happening and it will continue as long as PR balls are used. Trouble is that Aramith have cornered the market, their sales blurb is believed and an awful lot of younger players (those under 50) don't know when they get a bad contact, they've grown up with these balls and they think they cued the ball badly when it happens.

[vmax4steve]

Thanks Vmax ,very interesting, Good post.
Can I ask, is it basically less air bubbles because it's runnier,that's what makes it more or less dense ?( not including adding anything into the PR mix)

Different plastics require the tool in the press to be different temperatures, also depending on how much material is used to make the product. I don't set the machines computer, I simply change the tools and cooling pipes and a technician does the rest.
We make plastic wheels that are very, very hard when cold, they have a metal additive called Bekishield @ 10% but they are pliable when first removed from the tool and too hot to handle without the operator wearing gloves.
Nothing we use though is as dense a material as the resins used for billiard balls, all our plastics come ready made as granules that simply need to be melted in the press and then injected in the mould tool, cooled for a certain period before being removed. The injection takes seconds, the cooling sometimes about three minutes, sometimes seconds, depends on the material and the product.

[itsnoteasy]

Just for you toasty marmite, and Bolton. :angel:

I know it doesn't mean anything but I much prefer the colours on those balls than my TCs.

[Cannonball]

Vmax: many factors for kicks, balls, cueing, chalk, cloth, heaters. Ding uses (or did) a Hainsworth Precision Pro cloth = faster ball movement and no need for heaters = less static and less kicks. But with the Saluc group now owning Strachan, we've got no chance of the HPP ending up on a table with no heaters, like the 80s.

[vmax4steve]

Vmax: many factors for kicks, balls, cueing, chalk, cloth, heaters. Ding uses (or did) a Hainsworth Precision Pro cloth = faster ball movement and no need for heaters = less static and less kicks. But with the Saluc group now owning Strachan, we've got no chance of the HPP ending up on a table with no heaters, like the 80s.

There used to be only one factor with the SC's, chalk or dirt on the balls, everything else is either an excuse for the poor performance of the PR's or the result of trying to find a cure for them. Neither SC or PR balls induce static, spin up a polishing mop on either ball and a multimeter will read zero and there will be no sparks between the balls on contact.

The rules of snooker used to state that the game must be played with SC balls, the rules now state a ball recognised by the governing body, I emailed World Snooker asking which balls are recognised and got no reply, why ? why do they insist on using PR balls when all they get are problems with them. Saluc have billiard sports by the short and curlies, now they even own a cloth manufacturer, it'll be a table maker next, then Tweetens.

The retro revolution can start now, let's buy up as many old sets of SC's as we can for our napped club cloths and we can enjoy virtually kick free snooker for ourselves. Eventually this may make it's way to the ears of Barry Hearn.