Black off the spot - side below 40?

[Cannonball]

Got an issue with a shot. Black off its spot, high and about a 3/4 ball or slightly thicker. Can play run to get the ball out in the middle but cannot get ball back up playing stun or screw.


Stun requires insane cue power to get it off chush and back up, screw is in off or just back along the Cush.....is screw and running side the best option here? I can get the ball out easier when I have tried this but lack consistency with side....which brings me to the point:

Lots of people have said forget side until you are a reg 40 breaker.

I have a high break of 41 but usually manage 25-35 every now and then with a lot of 10-20 breaks. I have therefore tried to avoid side thus far but I feel I need it now...or am I missing something?

Mate, I can stun-run about 20ft off a near straight black, so you can stun the CB off a 3/4 black and top rail, absolutely, all the way back to the baulk cushion. It's not hard, you just have to practice big shots for about two years. I will post a video when I get time.

[markz]

Mate, I can stun-run about 20ft off a near straight black, so you can stun the CB off a 3/4 black and top rail, absolutely, all the way back to the baulk cushion. It's not hard, you just have to practice big shots for about two years. I will post a video when I get time.

20ft stun run thru, can't wait for the video Cannonball. Let's go champ!

[Cannonball]

20ft stun run thru, can't wait for the video Cannonball. Let's go champ!

Probably more, here's my mate showing you how to stun-run a near straight blue on the black spot. It goes in and out the pocket twice at 1:45. The banana off the baulk rail back to the top end is in there, as well as lots of top spin shot and stun shots. He pots a dead weight long ball showing that if you can cue, you can cue straight at all levels of acceleration. It's about maxing acceleration at the correct contact point on the CB. Not a bad player but nowhere near my standard. I mean, that 12ft banana screw at the end was a tad weak. Tbf, he's playing on a slow, unironed 6811T with TCs. On a no.10, he'd probably generate 50% extra though those bags do look about 1/16th'' more than a true Star.

I'll show you and this fella how to do this right when I get a chance but it's half-term, busy times Markz. About time you said hello! You've been a bit mum. Now where's Byrom to prove we ain't the same person as someone said somewhere.

[markz]

Probably more, here's my mate showing you how to stun-run a near straight blue on the black spot. It goes in and out the pocket twice at 1:45. The banana off the baulk rail back to the top end is in there, as well as lots of top spin shot and stun shots. He pots a dead weight long ball showing that if you can cue, you can cue straight at all levels of acceleration. It's about maxing acceleration at the correct contact point on the CB. Not a bad player but nowhere near my standard. I mean, that 12ft banana screw at the end was a tad weak.

He can certainly smash a ball. What standard is he?

Welcome back Cannonball, I try and post when I think I can help but recently happy to sit on the rail as its been pretty slow on here. Now we have a few back from banned camp it might liven up a bit!

[Cannonball]

He can certainly smash a ball. What standard is he?

Welcome back Cannonball, I try and post when I think I can help but recently happy to sit on the rail as its been pretty slow on here. Now we have a few back from banned camp it might liven up a bit!

You got plenty of great things to say, one of the best posters on tsf. Yes mate, the Brexit thread is cueing up to be the next ban hammer courtroom. :biggrin-new: Ton breaker occasionally but needs to work on his cannons off the black into the pack, cannons in general as well as CB control. Power curve is fine and accuracy on long-balls/ 91 degree cuts/crazy shots very good. Just positional. Told him, laminated tips on fancy cues ain't the way to go! He won't listen. Muppet.

* Snookclops, if this wood pusher can stun round the table, you can stun off the top rail from the black and back up to at least the blue. You know it champ. Just practice, practice and more, erm practice mate.

[tedisbill]

He can certainly smash a ball. What standard is he?

Welcome back Cannonball, I try and post when I think I can help but recently happy to sit on the rail as its been pretty slow on here. Now we have a few back from banned camp it might liven up a bit!

I can tell you what standard is he is from watching a few of those shots, and he most certainly is not a ton breaker.

This forum really is garbage at the moment. Christ.

[markz]

You got plenty of great things to say, one of the best posters on tsf. Yes mate, the Brexit thread is cueing up to be the next ban hammer courtroom. :biggrin-new: Ton breaker occasionally but needs to work on his cannons off the black into the pack, cannons in general as well as CB control. Power curve is fine and accuracy on long-balls/ 91 degree cuts/crazy shots very good. Just positional. Told him, laminated tips ain't the way to go!

Cheers. Your mate sounds like he's got similar game to me except the part about occasional centuries, still only got the one but not been playing as regular. I need to get back on the table and put some hard work in.

[markz]

I can tell you what standard is he is from watching a few of those shots, and he most certainly is not a ton breaker.

This forum really is garbage at the moment. Christ.

Get off the fence ted mate lol. My first thought was same as yours, I've never seen any good players need to wallop a ball like that but it's only a forum so no way of knowing either way except taking someone's word.

[Cannonball]

I think he was simply demonstrating extreme cueing to his mates. The point I was trying to get over is that a big stun shot is very possible, the bloke isn't that important. Anyway, here's Ronnie to explain it all for Snookclops. No-one better, not a bad player either. I think he made a few tons. LOL

https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/video/ro...142622436.html

[markz]

I think he was simply demonstrating extreme cueing to his mates. The point I was trying to get over is that a big stun shot is very possible, the bloke isn't that important. Anyway, here's Ronnie to explain it all for Snookclops. No-one better, not a bad player either. I think he made a few tons. LOL

https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/video/ro...142622436.html

Do you think Snookclops should be working on playing with side at his current level of ability if he thinks he needs insane cue power to play the shot you mention. Most guys work on technique and learn the game with centre ball till they are a reasonable break builder.

[Cannonball]

Do you think Snookclops should be working on playing with side at his current level of ability if he thinks he needs insane cue power to play the shot you mention. Most guys work on technique and learn the game with centre ball till they are a reasonable break builder.

Yes and No! Sorry. I was told to work on centre ball first but I wish I'd learned side earlier in my game. Then again, I know friends who hit everything with side, it's like they're afraid of the shots around the centre of the ball. So, not sure, each player is different. But if it can help him raise his breaks then why not. Most players won't hit big breaks without at least one shot with some side in there. I don't think there's a specific break level that says let's learn side now. It's really just if he can learn to pot balls quite quickly with side. If he gives side a go and he's still struggling after a month, I'd say go back to centre. But I don't want to ruin his game. So listen to Ronnie Snookclops!

[markz]

Yes and No! Sorry. I was told to work on centre ball first but I wish I'd learned side earlier in my game. Then again, I know friends who hit everything with side, it's like they're afraid of the shots around the centre of the ball. So, not sure, each player is different. But if it can help him raise his breaks then why not. Most players won't hit big breaks without at least one shot with some side in there. I don't think there's a specific break level that says let's learn side now. It's really just if he can learn to pot balls quite quickly with side. If he gives side a go and he's still struggling after a month, I'd say go back to centre. But I don't want to ruin his game. So listen to Ronnie Snookclops!

Think I must be an old fart these days. I was in no rush to make the game harder than it needs to be. Everyone seems to want to run before they can walk these days. If a players usual level is 10-20 breaks I can't see how they are going to master side and pot more balls playing harder shots. Only my opinion though.

[Cannonball]

Think I must be an old fart these days. I was in no rush to make the game harder than it needs to be. Everyone seems to want to run before they can walk these days. If a players usual level is 10-20 breaks I can't see how they are going to master side and pot more balls playing harder shots. Only my opinion though.

Very good county pool player I know, not a bad wee snooker player as well, plays everything with side on a pool table, even straight pots sometimes, really bizarre. I mean, it's only 6 x 3! He's like a full tip over from centre. I asked him, why play it with side when you could just stun off two angles into a lovely area? He says I dunno, I like using side. Pool players! :biggrin-new::biggrin-new: Plain ball is still the fave shot for me, there has to be a good reason for me to use spin.

[mikeyd100]

How about setting aside an hour for yourself to just practise some easy shots using side, then build it up as your confidence grows with it.

[Snookclops]

Yesterday I practiced off straight blues going in and out of baulk.

I was hitting with top or just plain ball and I was hitting so hard the entire hall were looking over as the ball hitting pocket was very very loud.

Could not get the ball back down past blue spot. I cannot hit the ball any harder. Side must be required.

I could probably hit off straight black with power and stun but assumed that power is to be avoided if you could play pocket weight with spin?