Judd Trump Set-up

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Lol. Alex Higgins ring any bells?

Earl is mentally ill, this is medically diagnosed and well known. He's a top fella when not under the pressure of being at the table.

Earl doesn't do anything wrong here imo. If he was sharking Shaw all match, that is irrelevant to this situation, and should have been dealt with earlier, by the referee. He called the wrong ball, that is all. Anyone in their fifties could make that mistake. If Shaw really thought he was playing a worldie on the two ball, he was on his own. He should have taken it like a man.

And wasn't the TD a mincing tit lol?

Yes the TD was loving his 5 minutes of fame there hahaha

Couldn't help but think Wagner makes a good ref haha

Earl is so disrespectful that I would call any foul on him just to get back at him for his disgusting behaviour .

It was obvious he was playing the ten but rules are rules and he made a mistake

If in snooker you Nominate green but play the blue .....do you think the ref would just say " ah it's alright ....I know what you meant ...YOLO " ? Nope ,it's a foul

Plus this was meant to be the "world championship " ....shoddily ran affair

[Hello, Mr Big Shot]

Yes the TD was loving his 5 minutes of fame there hahaha

Couldn't help but think Wagner makes a good ref haha

Earl is so disrespectful that I would call any foul on him just to get back at him for his disgusting behaviour .

It was obvious he was playing the ten but rules are rules and he made a mistake

If in snooker you Nominate green but play the blue .....do you think the ref would just say " ah it's alright ....I know what you meant ...YOLO " ? Nope ,it's a foul

Plus this was meant to be the "world championship " ....shoddily ran affair

I don't think the rules are quite so clear cut as they are in snooker...intent is key and takes precedent. Many rules in American pool are agreed at the players' meeting, which leads to all sorts of confusion. Pool is too fractured to have one rule book. A strong governing body is desperately needed...snooker is very lucky in this respect.

If a snooker player nominated green but played blue, i would hope for leniency there too, especially if they were on their spots. Pedantry regarding rules really pissses me off.

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Really, I didn't notice you in the room. PMSL. Just be honest, you don't like me so you're here to WUM. Your point of view has no validity at all given your huge negative bias. If you could play you'd understand it like INE. Same as Cally. Another cockwomble with nothing constructive to say. Jog on boys, this thread don't need ya. I'm after opinions of those who've played like JT ta.

Oh, we look fwd to your videos of playing 24ft of top spin easy peasy. Yeah, show me those!

Crikey, it must be herring season, one bit of unintended bait and they're jumping in the boat. Obesessed by splash down they are.

Your after opinions of those who've played like jt. I sure there's lots of players on here who as good a judd lol

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I don't think the rules are quite so clear cut as they are in snooker...intent is key and takes precedent. Many rules in American pool are agreed at the players' meeting, which leads to all sorts of confusion. Pool is too fractured to have one rule book. A strong governing body is desperately needed...snooker is very lucky in this respect.

If a snooker player nominated green but played blue, i would hope for leniency there too, especially if they were on their spots. Pedantry regarding rules really pissses me off.

Nope, I would hope the snooker player would be penalised. He's meant to be switched on. Luckily, we only have to nominate where there might be vagueness when two colours are close together. Usually it's pretty obvious what the snooker player is aiming at from his cue position. We don't have call pocket, the game is hard enough already. LOL

Now Earl has made a mistake playing the 10 and calling the 2. So the ref simply has to award a foul, especially as Shaw called the foul. Now if the ref really didn't hear Earl saying two (and two and ten do sound similar in a low voice), then fair play, no foul. Unlucky Shaw.

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There was the situation in an Asian PTC(?) some years ago, Anthony McGill playing a local amateur(?), there was a poor quality video of the match at the time.
I may get the details wrong but in essence the local lad said "green" and played blue, it was clear from all body and cue direction he was playing for the blue. The referee called Foul but Anthony McGill talked to the referee that it was obviously what the local lad was playing and that his English was not to good and misspoke "green" meaning "blue" and did not want the penalty to stick. I believe the referee did see sense
And the balls remained on the table and the table was not overturned :biggrin:

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Back to the original topic lol .....I played the shot in this thread after practice today . It's really not difficult and I'm rubbish

To be fair though ...topspin shots with a with a good follow through without over hitting was a shot I worked on with Chris Small . He set me up just off straight on the blue to play it round the angles to help improve my cue action .

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Back to the original topic lol .....I played the shot in this thread after practice today . It's really not difficult and I'm rubbish

To be fair though ...topspin shots with a with a good follow through without over hitting was a shot I worked on with Chris Small . He set me up just off straight on the blue to play it round the angles to help improve my cue action .

How far could you move it?

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There was the situation in an Asian PTC(?) some years ago, Anthony McGill playing a local amateur(?), there was a poor quality video of the match at the time.
I may get the details wrong but in essence the local lad said "green" and played blue, it was clear from all body and cue direction he was playing for the blue. The referee called Foul but Anthony McGill talked to the referee that it was obviously what the local lad was playing and that his English was not to good and misspoke "green" meaning "blue" and did not want the penalty to stick. I believe the referee did see sense
And the balls remained on the table and the table was not overturned :biggrin:

That's good to hear, respect. I wonder how many other players would have done the same? The FAAM rule pissses me off here as well - it's dam well obvious when a player has made a legitimate attempt and wrongly gets called on it, with his opponent staying silent in his chair, watching the points rack up. If it was me I'd ignore the option of having it put back.

[Hello, Mr Big Shot]

Nope, I would hope the snooker player would be penalised. He's meant to be switched on. Luckily, we only have to nominate where there might be vagueness when two colours are close together. Usually it's pretty obvious what the snooker player is aiming at from his cue position. We don't have call pocket, the game is hard enough already. LOL

Now Earl has made a mistake playing the 10 and calling the 2. So the ref simply has to award a foul, especially as Shaw called the foul. Now if the ref really didn't hear Earl saying two (and two and ten do sound similar in a low voice), then fair play, no foul. Unlucky Shaw.

Strickland nominated the ten ball by gesturing with his cue. That is a far more common method of nominating than doing so verbally. It is also extremely common to nominate one ball then change your mind.

Strickland did nothing wrong.

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How far could you move it?

I thought the shot was just to pot pink to middle and get white in and out of baulk back to top cushion . I didn't try to go any further than that

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I thought the shot was just to pot pink to middle and get white in and out of baulk back to top cushion . I didn't try to go any further than that

Nah, you pot it to the yellow pocket, just off straight to avoid an in-off. I had the CB about a foot away from the pink with the CB about a foot off the two cushions, so you've got you hand down near the corner pocket, forearm on the cushion. Potting to the middle would have a bigger angle to play with so the shot would be easier. Check the vid again:

https://youtu.be/GtjqHnWRRgk

The phone cam is on the rail so the vid is a bit confusing to the eye to be fair.

If you put more angle on the shot, you get more reaction and easier travel but to get back to the black you'll need to go off maybe three cushions so you'll have to travel the cue ball further but you get more reaction, so there's no advantage or disadvantage doing that (I may try this shot as it's quite legitimate way of doing it and it would actually be really good shot as the extra cushion would suck travel out of the ball). If you play it straight without banana, you should hit top cushion then come back to the black and land somewhere near the hole. Play it banana and you'll throw the CB into the pink cushion on to the baulk cushion and back to the black, landing near where you started. Which is what I did.

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Strickland nominated the ten ball by gesturing with his cue. That is a far more common method of nominating than doing so verbally. It is also extremely common to nominate one ball then change your mind.

Strickland did nothing wrong.

Yes he did, he opened his mouth. If he hadn't said ''two'' then there wouldn't have been an argument as his gesture was the ten into the corner.

Non-pool player beating 5x world pool chump with a snooker cue. He even breaks with his snooker cue:

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I don't think the rules are quite so clear cut as they are in snooker...intent is key and takes precedent. Many rules in American pool are agreed at the players' meeting, which leads to all sorts of confusion. Pool is too fractured to have one rule book. A strong governing body is desperately needed...snooker is very lucky in this respect.

If a snooker player nominated green but played blue, i would hope for leniency there too, especially if they were on their spots. Pedantry regarding rules really pissses me off.

That's a good post Biggie, from what I have heard from the pool lads, if you play one type ( world rules/ black ball)you are banned from the other, all they seem to do is argue between each other , instead of just promoting pool in general.

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Nah, you pot it to the yellow pocket, just off straight to avoid an in-off. I had the CB about a foot away from the pink with the CB about a foot off the two cushions, so you've got you hand down near the corner pocket, forearm on the cushion. Potting to the middle would have a bigger angle to play with so the shot would be easier. Check the vid again:

https://youtu.be/GtjqHnWRRgk

The phone cam is on the rail so the vid is a bit confusing to the eye to be fair.

If you put more angle on the shot, you get more reaction and easier travel but to get back to the black you'll need to go off maybe three cushions so you'll have to travel the cue ball further but you get more reaction, so there's no advantage or disadvantage doing that (I may try this shot as it's quite legitimate way of doing it and it would actually be really good shot as the extra cushion would suck travel out of the ball). If you play it straight without banana, you should hit top cushion then come back to the black and land somewhere near the hole. Play it banana and you'll throw the CB into the pink cushion on to the baulk cushion and back to the black, landing near where you started. Which is what I did.

I'd like to see the original shot from a different camera angle because to me if the pink is just of straight there is no way the cueball can take path straight up and down like it does in the vid .

Even if it arcs a lot it would still arc toward the brown spot contacting the baulk cushion at an angle . or maybe I'm not understanding what your describing

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I'd like to see the original shot from a different camera angle because to me if the pink is just of straight there is no way the cueball can take path straight up and down like it does in the vid .

Even if it arcs a lot it would still arc toward the brown spot contacting the baulk cushion at an angle . or maybe I'm not understanding what your describing

When you get on top spin extreme, the CB bananas into the cushion. Any deviation such as maybe 3-5 degrees is multiplied. I will try and get to snooker to do another vid today on a really slow table showing a regular top spin shot and CB position at 3-5 degrees. This time I won't banana it and it will hit up middle of baulk. I think actually putting on an angle of say 10-15 degrees and potting the pink to the corner would be even harder to get back to black. I'll try that as well.

But yeah, try and pot the pink to the yellow pocket and come back down the table. If Chris has taught you well, this should be ok.