Defying the laws of physics

[itsnoteasy]

You just can't have ball in hand in the D, that's just stupid.

[alabadi]

You just can't have ball in hand in the D, that's just stupid.

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[markz]

they have ruined the league in Sheffield this year, they introduced a new rule.
if you in a snooker and miss the ball on no matter what it will be called a foul and a miss. after the 3rd miss the opponent can play from where the balls lie, make you play from the same position or (wait for it) have ball in hand and play from the D.

i have lost the last 2 matches with this silly rule. only last night i was 7 ahead with 22 on. the guy missed the brown and i ended up snookered behind the pink. the brown was in the middle of the table a foot above the D. i missed it 3 times the cueball just kept sliding by twice missing by a whisker and once hitting the pink, so i gave away 14 points in fouls and my opponent is now 7 ahead has ball in hand brown just ahead of the D , Blue and Pink on their spots, easy 3 pots which he got.

it's totally ruined serious play, guys are putting opponents back taking the miss even when they have a clear pot at the ball on......crazy

Can't understand calling a miss if your missing by a whisker. It's should be judged by the ref on level of player and none of us are good enough to call the miss like on tv.

[DeanH]

Defying the laws of physics

The first sentence of the Miss rule is that the player has to attempt to hit the ball on to the best of their ability. So the referee has to take the ability of the player before all other aspects of the rule. This part is often forgotten.
Professional players are deemed to have the ability hence we hear Foul and a Miss called nearly every attempt in a pro match.
I recall Michaela Tabb in an interview that when she refs an amateur or club event she hardly calls F&M as she deems the player has attempted the shot to the best of their ability.

[markz]

The first sentence of the Miss rule is that the player has to attempt to hit the ball on to the best of their ability. So the referee has to take the ability of the player before all other aspects of the rule. This part is often forgotten.
Professional players are deemed to have the ability hence we hear Foul and a Miss called nearly every attempt in a pro match.
I recall Michaela Tabb in an interview that when she refs an amateur or club event she hardly calls F&M as she deems the player has attempted the shot to the best of their ability.

Great post Dean, most players should read the rule book if they are going to referee matches as well. If it's good enough for the Tabbster it's good enough for me.

[Big Splash!]

Can't understand calling a miss if your missing by a whisker. It's should be judged by the ref on level of player and none of us are good enough to call the miss like on tv.

Yeah but most folk in leagues can't play the game, never mind reffing it! In our league, it's a foul and miss (put it back if the opponent wishes) for the top tier of players. Next tier (according to handicap) need to get within an inch. Bottom tier need to get within an couple of inches. Seems fair. I know Alabadi's level and a miss would not have been called on him in our league. In fact, a few may have said great effort.

Alabadi; have a word with your cttee bud; this shouldn't be happening to you.

[alabadi]

Big splash, this rule has only been introduced this year, i think it came about because of the handicaps , the teams in A division weren't happy that no miss was called when opponents from the lower divisions played them in tournaments when they were snookered.

they thought that giving sometimes upto 40+ points was unfair and they are trying to claw back some of the deficit through snookers.

obviously the committee agreed and added this rule. so i'm afraid its here to stay unless majority of the teams put in complaints and then they may look at it.

[Big Splash!]

Big splash, this rule has only been introduced this year, i think it came about because of the handicaps , the teams in A division weren't happy that no miss was called when opponents from the lower divisions played them in tournaments when they were snookered.

they thought that giving sometimes upto 40+ points was unfair and they are trying to claw back some of the deficit through snookers.

obviously the committee agreed and added this rule. so i'm afraid its here to stay unless majority of the teams put in complaints and then they may look at it.

Well, they've gone from one extreme to the other. A middle road where they apply the rule but take into account the ability of the player would be fairer.

As for the starts, ton breakers can easily make 40 points back and beat a lower handicap player with 20-30 to spare. They should try giving a player 85 mate!

[itsnoteasy]

Stop having handicaps, play folk in a straight game, if they are better than you they deserve to win. A better way is to have comps for the lower leagues only ,again no handicaps but the top lads aren't allowed in it to give everyone a chance, for me this is far better than just inventing your own rules that have nothing to do with snooker.

[Big Splash!]

Stop having handicaps, play folk in a straight game, if they are better than you they deserve to win. A better way is to have comps for the lower leagues only ,again no handicaps but the top lads aren't allowed in it to give everyone a chance, for me this is far better than just inventing your own rules that have nothing to do with snooker.

Handicaps are killing the game. Folk play cat and mouse snooker, making sure they don't do too well over a season or their handicap will be cut. I know people who've deliberately thrown games towards the end of a season. As long as their team stay in the top division, they're kushdy. This allows them to practice ZERO hours and put nothing in to their game; just maintain it. That's appalling. How does that help them or their clubs on the meter? Divisions should all be unhandicapped; allow the cream to rise and teams will soon start practising I can tell you. If they don't, they get wiped out. These cockwombles need to think less about the lager and ordering the kebabs and more about snooker.

[Snookclops]

In response to the main topic, it's worth pointing out that each shot begins and ends in the brain of the human holding the wooden stick.

The ball, table, and rules similarly began as a concept in someone's mind.

Following through is a concept which is almost circular - yes, the ball does not know ergo you don't need a follow through. However, without following through you can't achieve the moment of impact correctly.

The shot is a chain of reactions and events. In effect, there is backwards causality. "If you don't follow through, you won't hit correctly" is false. But, if you don't follow through, the sequence prior to this is affected. You can't hit a shot without FT and achieve the same results as one with.

In effect, you must have follow through as that action produces a good contact. We have a classic case of "right brainer meets left brainer" here. One side views follow through on the way I have explained above, the other is talking in literal terms.

The nearest I can get to reconcile these two positions is:

Follow through does not affect the ball, but the sequence of actions leading to it produce better contacts.

I rest my case