Sidespin on a snooker table both with and against the nap

[OmaMiesta]

Set up the shot yourself with the red/black combo pointing towards the edge of the green pocket and put cueball in plant position on the black to the far jaw on the top pocket and you'll see the CB can be frozen on the black and be about 1mm from the red so it will hit the black first. I will be in the Corner Bank on Oct 7th and I will show you exactly what happens and I can make that shot without side although I would use side anyway to hit the full pocket opening.

If I'm understanding your scenario correctly, pretty sure what you described is just cut induced throw which occurs with plain ball striking. Id like to see what you mean in person for 100 percent certainty but sounds just like you setting up a plant to a far jaw and throwing it in at medium slow pace.

[Terry Davidson]

I'm trying to upload photos to show where all the balls were lined up with pockets in view but am having trouble. Your second photo is very misleading as the camera was to the side of the black.

[Terry Davidson]

If I'm understanding your scenario correctly, pretty sure what you described is just cut induced throw which occurs with plain ball striking. Id like to see what you mean in person for 100 percent certainty but sounds just like you setting up a plant to a far jaw and throwing it in at medium slow pace.

What plant? Yes I set the CB up in a plant position to show it could reach BOB before it hit the red but it's not worth arguing as I would use side anyway. But I'll show you or if you're ever coming up here I'll show you right here.

[OmaMiesta]

Dr dave explains it the best. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jUL_8aZ2LU

[Terry Davidson]

Dr dave explains it the best. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jUL_8aZ2LU

You've joined and not read the whole string as you wouldn't live that long so let me say this...I BELIEVE IN WHAT DR. DAVE CALLS CUT-INDUCED THROW but I have always called it 'Impact Throw' which I believe is more accurate. It even happens on a straight-in shot but the throw is straight ahead and not seen unless the OB jumps a bit.

[Hello, Mr Big Shot]

But were not arguing if its 1/8 or 1/4, the fact is that the potting angle is covered and wont go plain ball. Even with a swerving effect the cue ball would still need to avoid the red ball in order to hit the potting angle which is impossible. This proves that it isnt the cueball swerving thats causing the ball to pot, its the spin that is transferring onto the object ball. Seems pretty logically straight forward.

Just a point of order but it would be less confusing if we stopped talking about spin transfer - it is spin induced throw we're discussing here.

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BS, do you think Jason's black pots from near the top cush..?

[Terry Davidson]

For Ramon and the rest of the bunch...

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There are a widr angle on the set-up I used. Remember the CB is frozen on the black and the red is about 1mm from the black, black/red plant is pointed to the outside of the green pocket and black/CB combo is pointed at the far jaw where the red is and where a slow shot will slop in like Jason's first shot. Using side should get you more to the centre of the pocket and whether it's SIT or not I can't say and I don't care. It could even be CIT. Or maybe some kind of voodoo even.

Ramon...my red is EXACTLY where Jasons was but it doesn't matter because we will all use RH side to pot this ball.

A question for you...red ball frozen on top cushion you're behind about a foot at an angle. How do you play this shot? With running side or reverse?

[OmaMiesta]

Just a point of order but it would be less confusing if we stopped talking about spin transfer - it is spin induced throw we're discussing here.

Could you clarify the difference between the two? I was under the impression that spin induced throw is caused by the transferring of spin from cb to ob?

[Hello, Mr Big Shot]

You've joined and not read the whole string as you wouldn't live that long so let me say this...I BELIEVE IN WHAT DR. DAVE CALLS CUT-INDUCED THROW but I have always called it 'Impact Throw' which I believe is more accurate. It even happens on a straight-in shot but the throw is straight ahead and not seen unless the OB jumps a bit.

Lol.

What?

[Hello, Mr Big Shot]

Could you clarify the difference between the two? I was under the impression that spin induced throw is caused by the transferring of spin from cb to ob?

I explain it a few pages back.

[Ramon]

I guess even if I was right you guys wouldn't believe me. With the shot as Jason set it up I would use RH side myself just to get the black more towards centre-pocket. I'm not saying the black is pottable plain ball from that angle but I AM saying it would be pottable with the CB in a different spot. I don't disagree with the use of side all I disagree with is that the black left the spot at an angle other than 180* from the cueball.

I don't care if you all think SIT actually potted the ball or not, to me it was the cueball coming to the black at a sharper angle, not much, but enough and looking at the video again even though Jason has a great cue action there wasn't much spin left on the CB by the time it hit the black.
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Jason's black/red plant is lined up to somewhere near the green pocket and my own was lined up on the same spot despite what Ramon says.

Your second screen shot is taken from the right of the black and not directly behind it. The black/red plant is pointed to the inside edge of the green pocket and mine was the same.

No it was'nt . You did lined up red-black just like the shot NR 3 in J6's vid .
Mijn screen shot was from shot NR 1

then tel could you hear from the video of the first three shots straight on the black how crisp i hit the 3rd black? when i made two in a row. i timed that shot really well with right gear just below center of the white, just missing the red and contacting the black at 3/4 ball and it went bang into the center of the pocket.

Terry ,
This is Shot NR 3 which was played with side / not center striking .
This is how you did lined up the Red-black in your Screen shot.
My first screen shot was token from Shot NR 1 .

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[Ramon]

the screenshot in my previous post (above) is taken from shot number 3, in J6's video.
Like Terry says, more pointed to the inside edge of the green pocket .

This is how the Red-black was lined up in Shot number 1, j6 played in his Vid.


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Just saying !!

[Terry Davidson]

So are you saying Jason had the red in different positions for the 3 shots?

[Ramon]

On my way to work ,

Good night TSF !!! :snooker::snooker: