Terry's Videos Showing SIT or No SIT?

[Ramon]

Top work Ramon.

Just as I thought (well knew) no way is BOB in play there.
It's all there as clear as day yet still denial!

If fact if I did manage to hit BOB from that position I would say I was the greatest ever player in the history of the game..which I'm not!!

Can't wait for TD's effort later. And hopefully tries the yellow I played with his favoured check side

No my friend , in that case you would be David Copperfield !!



Well tbh, i sent a mail to my uncle (one of the old Billiard players as well as a collector), and I asked him his opinion regarding this matter.

And this was his respons :


The main reason why many players from old times ( and i do'nt mean disrespectful towards those players bcuz i'm one of them ) have a hard time to belive this as well as their motivation which is actually all based on what great Joe Davis said regarding side transfer.
Yes , you could say he was ( right in his own time of cours ) . Back in time composition of the balls was still of Ivory .
Modern balls are made of phenolic resin ( it's a type of plastic ).
which is the reason why old time players did belive that a player can never get a kick with that old ivory balls.
Not to mention , the lack of technology. many things we can see what happens in current time, they were unable to see in old times.



Anyway , That's what the old man said .
I found it interesting info, tbh .
He may be wrong, though. My uncle is crazy anyway.:snooker:

[travisbickle]

No my friend , in that case you would be David Copperfield !!



Well tbh, i sent a mail to my uncle (one of the old Billiard players as well as a collector), and I asked him his opinion regarding this matter.

And this was his respons :


The main reason why many players from old times ( and i do'nt mean disrespectful towards those players bcuz i'm one of them ) have a hard time to belive this as well as their motivation which is actually all based on what great Joe Davis said regarding side transfer.
Yes , you could say he was ( right in his own time of cours ) . Back in time composition of the balls was still of Ivory .
Modern balls are made of phenolic resin ( it's a type of plastic ).
which is the reason why old time players did belive that a player can never get a kick with that old ivory balls.
Not to mention , the lack of technology. many things we can see what happens in current time, they were unable to see in old times.



Anyway , That's what the old man said .
I found it interesting info, tbh .
He may be wrong, though. My uncle is crazy anyway.:snooker:

Lol he would fit in here then

[throtts]

[B]




Anyway , That's what the old man said .
I found it interesting info, tbh .
He may be wrong, though. My uncle is crazy anyway.:snooker:

Can he do a vid too.. FFS,, the thread become comical..

[vmax]

My example tells you SIT exists throtts.

Putting the yellow there first showing you it's touching both the red & black means BOB is never in play.

TD will say I swerved into the gap because red black weren't touching.

Facts are though there is no gap to swerve into as Red/black were touching the yellow.

But red wasn't touching the black was it so there was a bloody gap to swerve into Ramon's screen shot cannot show the angle that the cue ball approached the black which was from a different line from where it started due to deflection and swerve.
Ramon thinks the cue ball goes straight to the OB when loaded with side but it doesn't, and you as a century break player know this and yet are hiding behind his ignorance.

Biggie I can understand as a simple troll who has found something to insult people over, which is what trolls do. He doesn't play the game, doesn't own a cue, and finds all his facts and expertise on the internet. He in fact knows sod all through experience and does nothing but trawl this forum everday looking for similar sidespin threads to bash people with, hes' done it ever since he became a member, but you are supposed to be a serious player.

Now man up and do it properly, make it impossible for deflection and swerve to be a part of the equation; place the cue ball touching the black to a plant positon to make the black to an inch outside of the far jaw and then place a red that's touching both cue ball and black making it impossible to make a contact that pots the black inside the far jaw.
Place the cue ball 18 inches away, dead straight to the BOB you've set up, leave the red where it is, touching the black, and play the cue ball with side to throw the black that one measly little inch into the pocket from a contact that must be outside the far jaw, otherwise the red will be struck first.

[j6uk]

I couldn't really tell how much your red was covering the black but I looked hard at your video where I paused it with camera directly behind the pot. Iwas able to pot the ball plain ball with drag. With my set-up 6' from green jaw I couldn't get any closer than that same chalk. Your set-up was on the far jaw of the green pocket (but who knows as we can't look at it and you didn't think to check at the time.)

i set it up straight and 1/4 covering and that bob was closer to your terry2 low chalk

[travisbickle]

But red wasn't touching the black was it so there was a bloody gap to swerve into Ramon's screen shot cannot show the angle that the cue ball approached the black which was from a different line from where it started due to deflection and swerve.
Ramon thinks the cue ball goes straight to the OB when loaded with side but it doesn't, and you as a century break player know this and yet are hiding behind his ignorance.

Biggie I can understand as a simple troll who has found something to insult people over, which is what trolls do. He doesn't play the game, doesn't own a cue, and finds all his facts and expertise on the internet. He in fact knows sod all through experience and does nothing but trawl this forum everday looking for similar sidespin threads to bash people with, hes' done it ever since he became a member, but you are supposed to be a serious player.

Now man up and do it properly, make it impossible for deflection and swerve to be a part of the equation; place the cue ball touching the black to a plant positon to make the black to an inch outside of the far jaw and then place a red that's touching both cue ball and black making it impossible to make a contact that pots the black inside the far jaw.
Place the cue ball 18 inches away, dead straight to the BOB you've set up, leave the red where it is, touching the black, and play the cue ball with side to throw the black that one measly little inch into the pocket from a contact that must be outside the far jaw, otherwise the red will be struck first.

Jesus, You really one crazy fool!

What gap would that be exactly???
Both red/black were touching the yellow so the CB had no gap to swerve into whatsoever.
Look at the still pics. Yellow/white are in exactly the same place on contact.

I'm gonna jack this thread in as there is no point talking to crazy people who think they know everything yet no absolutely nothing.

This will just go on forever so there is not much point.
TD has been playing the wrong side on the CB for over 50 years ffs and your probably no better.
I'm out.

[vmax]

Jesus, You really one crazy fool!

What gap would that be exactly???
Both red/black were touching the yellow so the CB had no gap to swerve into whatsoever.
Look at the still pics. Yellow/white are in exactly the same place on contact.

I'm gonna jack this thread in as there is no point talking to crazy people who think they know everything yet no absolutely nothing.

This will just go on forever so there is not much point.
TD has been playing the wrong side on the CB for over 50 years ffs and your probably no better.
I'm out.

You've been found out and you know it, red and black aren't touching so there's a gap of about half an inch for the cue ball to come into BOB from a different line due to deflection and swerve. You do know the cue ball deflects on contact with the tip, you do know that the cue ball swerves as it slows when loaded with side, well according to you only when you tell it to
Once again the shot was filmed from the side, despite being asked by Terry for the camera to be behind the pocket. And that's deliberate just to keep Ramon on your side, and his screen shots are about as much use as Ozzy Osborne's donor card.

While you're out give uncle Ray's book Classic Snooker a good going over and learn something concrete, forget all those silly pool acronyms which make biggie think he's intelligent, he's not, he's a product of the internet, he doesn't have a cue, and that's not a typo.

[Terry Davidson]

Jesus, You really one crazy fool!

What gap would that be exactly???
Both red/black were touching the yellow so the CB had no gap to swerve into whatsoever.
Look at the still pics. Yellow/white are in exactly the same place on contact.

I'm gonna jack this thread in as there is no point talking to crazy people who think they know everything yet no absolutely nothing.

This will just go on forever so there is not much point.
TD has been playing the wrong side on the CB for over 50 years ffs and your probably no better.
I'm out.

Travis...you didn't answer my question. Why did you change the set-up? 'Because it was the same' is not the answer because it wasn't. Quit waffling and answer the damned question. Do exactly what vmax says here because this test and demonstration was set up to eliminate ANY POSSIBILITY of either vmax or myself arguing against SIT. You say we know NOTHING about side but you've now seen both of us use it and by the way I've been using side since vitalite balls were the standard.

Even Jason now believes if you hide BOB (to the far jaw) with the red it's not possible to make the black because it's not turning threw SIT but another possibility is with such a small deviation your result could be CIT and not SIT.

But it's great you're moving off this string and I hope Biggie does too so now all we have to do is convince the other players to not use these shots in matches but feel free to practice them until they are competent. What happens on a pool table does not necessarily happen exactly the same on a snooker table and my set-up proved that.

[Terry Davidson]

One for Ramon:

Although the still shots you grab off the screen are all very nice you should remember the video camera taking them is at 60fps and you cannot precisely time the exact time of contact on the black ball. We see what we have been programmed to see.

You have to remember when using side with drag you are altering the leading edge of the cueball. In addition to that when you play the object ball slow across the nap there is a bending effect which is very minor but still there. When we're talking of just 1 or 2 degrees of movement it can be that or even a small roll on the table. Additionally it could be Impact Throw which also exist in a small amount. Think about it:biggrin-new:

[j6uk]

no i say i can turn it in but only 1/4 covering. tel2 shot 1/3 covering i recon it would be a push to get it in the jaws..
but if you can pot a straight black 3/4 ball red glued on with no side then im getting back to the table and have her do the school runs.

[j6uk]

by way of: terrys terrible talisman tips

[throtts]

Terry, what tip are you using in the vids?

[Terry Davidson]

by way of: terrys terrible talisman tips

I cut off my Talisman and have a hard Elk Master on now. Because my ferrule is 9.3mm the damned Talismans kept de-layering.

[Terry Davidson]

Terry, what tip are you using in the vids?

Hard Elk Master. Tried Talisman (delayered), tried Phoenix and found throwing wild once tip got crushed a bit on one side as I use my cue the same way all the time and tried Kamui but didn't like. Next up will be an ADR147 tip but they are somewhat fat for my 9.3mm ferrule.

[Terry Davidson]

Hi Terry ,

Firstly , I'm happy to see you look very good for your age. I would say atleast another 50 years to go for you and i mean it !!

as for vid , I had the feeling that the way you did set up and aimed the shot in 2nd vid, was not the same as what I've seen in J6 vid. I may be wrong, though!!

Regarding your cueing, I am in no position at all to criticize you, you're the coach.
But imo, if you deliver the cue abit more fluent and not so fast, you may get sum better results.
In my book , start slow with delivery and than speed up , is realy important . ( something i noticed J6 and Travis did both very well ) .
But again , I may be wrong.

Gonna watch one more time ( in case i may missed something ) .
and many thanks for your effort regarding this matter .

I have been attempting to lengthen my backswing, slow it down, maybe get a rear pause too but breaking the habits of a lifetime are VERY hard to do. Thanks for the critique however believe me I'm well aware of those problems and am working on them one at a time. Problem is when I'm in the balls I unconsciously revert as I find it hard to correctly guage the power. I see Travis and Jason both have those nice longer smooth backswings.