Terry's Videos Showing SIT or No SIT?

[travisbickle]

So here we have a bunch of serious and not so serious members of a snooker forum taking as gospel the 'facts' from Biggie who doesn't play snooker or American pool so probably plays British pool only because he has 20 cues, TravisBickle (Robert Dinero's character in the movie Taxi) who says he runs 2 or more centuries a day at snooker and is also a champion British pool player, has a job and yet has time to be on here continuously. Where does he find the time to practice to maintain those abilities? He has to be a natural phenomenon who is able to be at the top of 2 forms of billiards at the same time without a lot of practice. Not sure how to class Ramon

Then there's Dr. Dave who is an associate professor, a pool coach and a professional engineer at an American university. His Doctorate is in Mechanical Engineering. He doesn't play a lot of the shots in his videos but is relying on observations like any good scientist but not a good engineer who should get his hands dirty.

I can agree SIT exists but only under specific conditions which in my opinion Travis has not shown and additionally the videos from Dr. Dave do not consider the conditions under which they were shot at all and I think around SIT (only) he comes to some invalid conclusions. Travis hasn't tried my set-up because it's impossible without changing the conditions to those which cause SIT to appear. You have to produce a mini-kick to get the effect and who wants to try and control mini-kicks when they play a match but then again Travis says he does like using side but doesn't play snooker matches.

The only thing I can recommend is everyone on here who agrees with SIT then set up a shot where the potting point is covered and try to induce SIT. If you can do it then that's great and you can use it in a match for instance but if you can't induce it then don't try to use it except in practice. Do not set up the shot from J6 which was only 1/8th covered, do not set up Oma's shot and do not set up Travis's shot as they are not really covering the potting point. Give it a real test and form your own conclusions.

Don't accept what Biggie is telling everyone without confirming it for yourself first. He is a keyboard warrior who only knows what he's seen on the internet and parrots that information on a snooker forum which is a game he says he has no respect for so why doesn't he spend all his time at AZ Billiards? As I love snooker and have played it for 50yrs or so I am biased in favour but its pretty obvious Biggie is biased against snooker.

Big shot & myself are experts on what happens when balls collide Tel
A subject in which you/vmax are severely lacking.

It's only you/vmax who disagree on this, but your pride won't let it go!

[travisbickle]

So here we have a bunch of serious and not so serious members of a snooker forum taking as gospel the 'facts' from Biggie who doesn't play snooker or American pool so probably plays British pool only because he has 20 cues, TravisBickle (Robert Dinero's character in the movie Taxi) who says he runs 2 or more centuries a day at snooker and is also a champion British pool player, has a job and yet has time to be on here continuously. Where does he find the time to practice to maintain those abilities? He has to be a natural phenomenon who is able to be at the top of 2 forms of billiards at the same time without a lot of practice. Not sure how to class Ramon

Then there's Dr. Dave who is an associate professor, a pool coach and a professional engineer at an American university. His Doctorate is in Mechanical Engineering. He doesn't play a lot of the shots in his videos but is relying on observations like any good scientist but not a good engineer who should get his hands dirty.

I can agree SIT exists but only under specific conditions which in my opinion Travis has not shown and additionally the videos from Dr. Dave do not consider the conditions under which they were shot at all and I think around SIT (only) he comes to some invalid conclusions. Travis hasn't tried my set-up because it's impossible without changing the conditions to those which cause SIT to appear. You have to produce a mini-kick to get the effect and who wants to try and control mini-kicks when they play a match but then again Travis says he does like using side but doesn't play snooker matches.

The only thing I can recommend is everyone on here who agrees with SIT then set up a shot where the potting point is covered and try to induce SIT. If you can do it then that's great and you can use it in a match for instance but if you can't induce it then don't try to use it except in practice. Do not set up the shot from J6 which was only 1/8th covered, do not set up Oma's shot and do not set up Travis's shot as they are not really covering the potting point. Give it a real test and form your own conclusions.

Don't accept what Biggie is telling everyone without confirming it for yourself first. He is a keyboard warrior who only knows what he's seen on the internet and parrots that information on a snooker forum which is a game he says he has no respect for so why doesn't he spend all his time at AZ Billiards? As I love snooker and have played it for 50yrs or so I am biased in favour but its pretty obvious Biggie is biased against snooker.

Never said I was running 2 or more centuries a day either. More made up nonsense

[Ramon]

So here we have a bunch of serious and not so serious members of a snooker forum taking as gospel the 'facts' from Biggie who doesn't play snooker or American pool so probably plays British pool only because he has 20 cues, TravisBickle (Robert Dinero's character in the movie Taxi) who says he runs 2 or more centuries a day at snooker and is also a champion British pool player, has a job and yet has time to be on here continuously. Where does he find the time to practice to maintain those abilities? He has to be a natural phenomenon who is able to be at the top of 2 forms of billiards at the same time without a lot of practice. Not sure how to class Ramon

Then there's Dr. Dave who is an associate professor, a pool coach and a professional engineer at an American university. His Doctorate is in Mechanical Engineering. He doesn't play a lot of the shots in his videos but is relying on observations like any good scientist but not a good engineer who should get his hands dirty.

I can agree SIT exists but only under specific conditions which in my opinion Travis has not shown and additionally the videos from Dr. Dave do not consider the conditions under which they were shot at all and I think around SIT (only) he comes to some invalid conclusions. Travis hasn't tried my set-up because it's impossible without changing the conditions to those which cause SIT to appear. You have to produce a mini-kick to get the effect and who wants to try and control mini-kicks when they play a match but then again Travis says he does like using side but doesn't play snooker matches.

The only thing I can recommend is everyone on here who agrees with SIT then set up a shot where the potting point is covered and try to induce SIT. If you can do it then that's great and you can use it in a match for instance but if you can't induce it then don't try to use it except in practice. Do not set up the shot from J6 which was only 1/8th covered, do not set up Oma's shot and do not set up Travis's shot as they are not really covering the potting point. Give it a real test and form your own conclusions.

Don't accept what Biggie is telling everyone without confirming it for yourself first. He is a keyboard warrior who only knows what he's seen on the internet and parrots that information on a snooker forum which is a game he says he has no respect for so why doesn't he spend all his time at AZ Billiards? As I love snooker and have played it for 50yrs or so I am biased in favour but its pretty obvious Biggie is biased against snooker.

Terry ,

you can make any kind of shot impossible to play, if you want to.
Are you able to pull off a stright scrwback shot when the OB is touching and 3/4 coverd by a red ??
Does it mean that playing a scrwback shot is not possible at all time ??
Does it mean , thr is no way some one can create spin in CB ?

At the same time , you have t right to disagree !!
( as i told you about 1600 pages ago ?? And you did'nt let go ?

[travisbickle]

Terry ,

you can make any kind of shot impossible to play, if you want to.
Are you able to pull off a stright scrwback shot when the OB is touching and 3/4 coverd by a red ??
Does it mean that playing a scrwback shot is not possible at all time ??
Does it mean , thr is no way some one can create spin in CB ?

At the same time , you have t right to disagree !!
( as i told you about 1600 pages ago ?? And you did'nt let go ?

All looking a bit desperate now Ramon

[Ramon]

All looking a bit desperate now Ramon

my friend, I agree with you.
but i honestly do'nt think these guys will change thr mind any time soon.
giving the wounds a chance to heal from both sides , might be the best option ?

[dan_ormerod]

So here we have a bunch of serious and not so serious members of a snooker forum taking as gospel the 'facts' from Biggie who doesn't play snooker or American pool so probably plays British pool only because he has 20 cues, TravisBickle (Robert Dinero's character in the movie Taxi) who says he runs 2 or more centuries a day at snooker and is also a champion British pool player, has a job and yet has time to be on here continuously. Where does he find the time to practice to maintain those abilities? He has to be a natural phenomenon who is able to be at the top of 2 forms of billiards at the same time without a lot of practice. Not sure how to class Ramon

Then there's Dr. Dave who is an associate professor, a pool coach and a professional engineer at an American university. His Doctorate is in Mechanical Engineering. He doesn't play a lot of the shots in his videos but is relying on observations like any good scientist but not a good engineer who should get his hands dirty.

I can agree SIT exists but only under specific conditions which in my opinion Travis has not shown and additionally the videos from Dr. Dave do not consider the conditions under which they were shot at all and I think around SIT (only) he comes to some invalid conclusions. Travis hasn't tried my set-up because it's impossible without changing the conditions to those which cause SIT to appear. You have to produce a mini-kick to get the effect and who wants to try and control mini-kicks when they play a match but then again Travis says he does like using side but doesn't play snooker matches.

The only thing I can recommend is everyone on here who agrees with SIT then set up a shot where the potting point is covered and try to induce SIT. If you can do it then that's great and you can use it in a match for instance but if you can't induce it then don't try to use it except in practice. Do not set up the shot from J6 which was only 1/8th covered, do not set up Oma's shot and do not set up Travis's shot as they are not really covering the potting point. Give it a real test and form your own conclusions.

Don't accept what Biggie is telling everyone without confirming it for yourself first. He is a keyboard warrior who only knows what he's seen on the internet and parrots that information on a snooker forum which is a game he says he has no respect for so why doesn't he spend all his time at AZ Billiards? As I love snooker and have played it for 50yrs or so I am biased in favour but its pretty obvious Biggie is biased against snooker.

I don't know about everyone else but I'm not listening to/accepting what travis and big shot are saying, you simply just need to look and you will see it happening.

As for SIT only happening in specific conditions with chalk marks on the ball, high humidity etc. All the shots that have been shown on here, the jimmy white one as an example, do you really think he would have got down and played that shot thinking oh it's quite humid today and I can see a spec of chalk on that ball therefore I shall play this shot with SIT and turn the ball in????

[travisbickle]

my friend, I agree with you.
but i honestly do'nt think these guys will change thr mind any time soon.
giving the wounds a chance to heal from both sides , might be the best option ?

Yep I agree. Old dogs can't/won't learn new tricks.

[travisbickle]

I don't know about everyone else but I'm not listening to/accepting what travis and big shot are saying, you simply just need to look and you will see it happening.

As for SIT only happening in specific conditions with chalk marks on the ball, high humidity etc. All the shots that have been shown on here, the jimmy white one as an example, do you really think he would have got down and played that shot thinking oh it's quite humid today and I can see a spec of chalk on that ball therefore I shall play this shot with SIT and turn the ball in????

All crazy talk Dan.

I play these type of shots every time I play no matter what the conditions are.

[dan_ormerod]

All crazy talk Dan.

I play these type of shots every time I play no matter what the conditions are.

When playing snooker, for every 100 shots you play how many of them would you say you use it? (Roughly of course)

Snooker is difficult enough without so there's no way I am coming away from the middle of that cue ball lol

Pool however, I do use it a lot.

[travisbickle]

When playing snooker, for every 100 shots you play how many of them would you say you use it? (Roughly of course)

Snooker is difficult enough without so there's no way I am coming away from the middle of that cue ball lol

Pool however, I do use it a lot.

I use it more then I should, I'll admit that
Out of a hundred it could easily be around the 15/20 mark I would say.
A lot of the shots would be very slight but make all the difference to where the CB ends up.

[Hello, Mr Big Shot]

So here we have a bunch of serious and not so serious members of a snooker forum taking as gospel the 'facts' from Biggie who doesn't play snooker or American pool so probably plays British pool only because he has 20 cues, TravisBickle (Robert Dinero's character in the movie Taxi) who says he runs 2 or more centuries a day at snooker and is also a champion British pool player, has a job and yet has time to be on here continuously. Where does he find the time to practice to maintain those abilities? He has to be a natural phenomenon who is able to be at the top of 2 forms of billiards at the same time without a lot of practice. Not sure how to class Ramon

Then there's Dr. Dave who is an associate professor, a pool coach and a professional engineer at an American university. His Doctorate is in Mechanical Engineering. He doesn't play a lot of the shots in his videos but is relying on observations like any good scientist but not a good engineer who should get his hands dirty.

I can agree SIT exists but only under specific conditions which in my opinion Travis has not shown and additionally the videos from Dr. Dave do not consider the conditions under which they were shot at all and I think around SIT (only) he comes to some invalid conclusions. Travis hasn't tried my set-up because it's impossible without changing the conditions to those which cause SIT to appear. You have to produce a mini-kick to get the effect and who wants to try and control mini-kicks when they play a match but then again Travis says he does like using side but doesn't play snooker matches.

The only thing I can recommend is everyone on here who agrees with SIT then set up a shot where the potting point is covered and try to induce SIT. If you can do it then that's great and you can use it in a match for instance but if you can't induce it then don't try to use it except in practice. Do not set up the shot from J6 which was only 1/8th covered, do not set up Oma's shot and do not set up Travis's shot as they are not really covering the potting point. Give it a real test and form your own conclusions.

Don't accept what Biggie is telling everyone without confirming it for yourself first. He is a keyboard warrior who only knows what he's seen on the internet and parrots that information on a snooker forum which is a game he says he has no respect for so why doesn't he spend all his time at AZ Billiards? As I love snooker and have played it for 50yrs or so I am biased in favour but its pretty obvious Biggie is biased against snooker.

I'm a fan of cue sports - all cue sports. This snooker snobbery you have is pathetic. Snooker is a difficult game to perfect but guess what, they all are, so a little humility around here wouldn't be a bad idea.

Just curious here, and not expecting a coherent answer, but which of dr dave's conclusions do you disagree with? Like all good scientists he encourages people to experiment for themselves and to let him know if he has made any errors - you've probably seen that on his site.

So, where have we all been going wrong?

[Hello, Mr Big Shot]

Never said I was running 2 or more centuries a day either. More made up nonsense

And he and vmax seem to know a lot more about myself than i do, anorl.

I don't know, maybe they're just making things up?

[Hello, Mr Big Shot]

I don't know about everyone else but I'm not listening to/accepting what travis and big shot are saying, you simply just need to look and you will see it happening.

As for SIT only happening in specific conditions with chalk marks on the ball, high humidity etc. All the shots that have been shown on here, the jimmy white one as an example, do you really think he would have got down and played that shot thinking oh it's quite humid today and I can see a spec of chalk on that ball therefore I shall play this shot with SIT and turn the ball in????

Wilson, with the score finely balanced in the world championships, was hardly likely to have gone "i can't quite get to the potting angle. I know, I'll play for a kick". Of all the nonsense and bob bollox they're dreaming up, nothing is more stupid than not accepting PROFESSIONAL PLAYERS are playing these shots DELIBERATELY and getting the outcomes they were EXPECTING.

What else were they doing?

[Hello, Mr Big Shot]

Yep I agree. Old dogs can't/won't learn new tricks.

It's just a loss of pride. Snooker has been insular for decades, swimming in its own stagnant ponds. It simply hasn't taken advantage of technology like the rest of cue sports has.

I suspect Terry and vmax have been swimming in very small, stagnant ponds indeed, where they are the big fish. This suits them: it gives them a power base and, by extension, leverage. We see this all the time in leagues, both snooker and pool, where the same people do the same things, year in and year out, refusing change.

High time snooker started becoming more outward looking. It's dead in this country and will be dead fullstop if the Chinese lads fade away. Snooker in 5 year's time could look very different.

[j6uk]

It's just a loss of pride. Snooker has been insular for decades, swimming in its own stagnant ponds. It simply hasn't taken advantage of technology like the rest of cue sports has.

I suspect Terry and vmax have been swimming in very small, stagnant ponds indeed, where they are the big fish. This suits them: it gives them a power base and, by extension, leverage. We see this all the time in leagues, both snooker and pool, where the same people do the same things, year in and year out, refusing change.

High time snooker started becoming more outward looking. It's dead in this country and will be dead fullstop if the Chinese lads fade away. Snooker in 5 year's time could look very different.

I think you can safely be crowned ramsey of tsf, like The way you patter it out. . I sugest The thred only be paddled in as for some of the info should come with a warning