Unintentional Side

[BobbyBeau]

Hello, my first post here but I've gotten to the point that I need some help haha!.

On pretty much 90% of my shots I put unintentional right hand side on, even though through my own eyes the cue looks like im hitting the centre of the white.
I am a left handed player, right eye dominant (if that makes a difference, having cross dominance ive heard is a good thing?), -- I've been told and believe my cueing is straight and my stance is correct, but this is the main thing atm holding back my game imo.
One other thing I'm confused about is the position of the cue on my chin, I've been watching Barry Stark & Nic Barrow, getting conflicting opinions about the relevance of the dominant eye and probably bringing up a sour topic that gets spoken about too much ahah - dont want this to turn into an argument about that topic

Thanks for any help at all at this point

-Bobby

[DeanH]

Unintentional Side

my opinion of what you describe is not due to your dominant eye or such but that you are unknowingly applying unwanted side by not cueing straight.
I say this because your eyes have been doing a spot on job through out your life without you walking into a door post everyday but hitting a stick onto a ball onto another ball is not normal day to day occurrence so probably more likely the suspect
When down on the shot I think many player don't think they are on line and unconsciously (or consciously) move on the shot. Believe in your first impression
practice to deliver the cue straight and check you are hitting the cue ball right to hit the object ball right to pot it.
forget about dominant eye as this will only make a mess if your game
practise and more practise potting balls and controlling the cue ball for the next ball

[BobbyBeau]

my opinion of what you describe is not due to your dominant eye or such but that you are unknowingly applying unwanted side by not cueing straight.
I say this because your eyes have been doing a spot on job through out your life without you walking into a door post everyday but hitting a stick onto a ball onto another ball is not normal day to day occurrence so probably more likely the suspect
practice to deliver the cue straight and check you are hitting the cue ball right to hit the object ball right to pot it.
forget about dominant eye as this will only make a mess if your game
practise and more practise potting balls and controlling the cue ball for the next ball

Thankyou for the response, I have been practice doing this cueing the whiteball from the brown spot attempting to bring it back to the cue, where I see most of the times it bounces to the right either slightly or massively

[Ramon]

Watching this video might be a good idea too .
Pay attention to the red line.
practice Center Ball striking ( as you see it in this video ) .
You also can buy one of those J6 TUCA's and practice ( which is the same ) .

[Ramon]

The horizontal position of your elbow is also very important.
If your elbow moves (in a horizontal line) during delivery, this could end up in cueing error. ( and not hitting the center as a result ) .
Watch what happens in this video and pay attention to the red line and what he says please !!

This is about the same . watch the stance of Marco Fu and his elbow position .
At the last part of the video , pay attention to those red and yellow lines !!

[Terry Davidson]

I think the only way to resolve this is to first video yourself potting long blues as stop shots and having the camera over the top pocket but taking it from the top of you elbow. You then have to watch first of all where the tip is hitting the cueball and secondly watch what the cue is doing over the green pocket (for lefties). I cannot overemphasize the importance of getting Kinoveo (freeware) or some other analysis software and watching yourself frame-by-frame to find out exactly where and why you are cueing off-line because that is the only problem outside of cueing up to the cueball on the right side.

Also, watch for straightness on the backswings too.

[BobbyBeau]

Thanks for the responses, I definitely need to work on my whole body alignment in general and will take those videos onboard. I am currently being coached and he is currently trying to establish that with me at the moment I believe in regards to your response Terry.

Thanks again

[vmax]

Hello, my first post here but I've gotten to the point that I need some help haha!.

On pretty much 90% of my shots I put unintentional right hand side on, even though through my own eyes the cue looks like im hitting the centre of the white.

-Bobby

It's a line of aim issue, the butt of your cue is not on the line of aim, though the tip is, so you're actually playing across the line when striking the centre of the cue ball.
Check your alignment by addressing the centre of the yellow ball on its spot with the tip of the cue along the baulk line, then put the butt of the cue down on the cushion, hold it dead still and look to see whether the whole of the cue is right on top of the baulk line. Adjust your right foot (as you're a lefty) either forward or more likely backward, as you're striking from left to right, to move the body and therefore bring the butt of the cue around onto the correct line.
This is your feet position for your stance, left foot on the cue ball (fulcrum) and right foot wherever it needs to be to get the butt of the cue on the baulkine.

[BobbyBeau]

It's a line of aim issue, the butt of your cue is not on the line of aim, though the tip is, so you're actually playing across the line when striking the centre of the cue ball.
Check your alignment by addressing the centre of the yellow ball on its spot with the tip of the cue along the baulk line, then put the butt of the cue down on the cushion, hold it dead still and look to see whether the whole of the cue is right on top of the baulk line. Adjust your right foot (as you're a lefty) either forward or more likely backward, as you're striking from left to right, to move the body and therefore bring the butt of the cue around onto the correct line.
This is your feet position for your stance, left foot on the cue ball (fulcrum) and right foot wherever it needs to be to get the butt of the cue on the baulkine.

Thankyou!, this could be it as I believe I do suffer with this problem. So my left foot goes onto the baulk line facing the yellow I assume within this practice and my right I position more forward and backwards until the butt is perfectly on the baulk?

[vmax]

Thankyou!, this could be it as I believe I do suffer with this problem. So my left foot goes onto the baulk line facing the yellow I assume within this practice and my right I position more forward and backwards until the butt is perfectly on the baulk?

That's right, left foot on the baulkline and address the tip to the centre of the yellow and then you position your right foot forwards/backwards/sideways until the butt of the cue is directly above the baulkline. Once you get your feet sorted and the whole of your cue is on the line it's a matter of delivering the cue straight along the line. Eye on the object ball on the strike and the hand will naturally follow the eye and as your cue is on the line you should cue straight as long as you keep head and body still.
It's my belief that not having the whole of the cue on the line of aim is the major issue with head and body movement as your brain knows you're slightly off line and tries to compensate.

Interesting interview with MJW this week where he stated that he had unknowingly drifted offline over the past few years and had worked with Steve Feeney and the Sightright system to get back online.

[BobbyBeau]

Quick update to this thread, I practiced all the methods given in this thread for around 3 hours continuous, to the point where my fingers where the cue slides through have gone sore and a bit bruised (I had to use a cue at the club with very bad sticky stuff on it).

All these things have massively improved my issue and made me change my allignment massively, I am now currently managing to hit centreball up and down the table around 7/10 times, which is a huge improvement from before when I could do it once out of 100.
Thanks for all the advice given, now I just need to aim for the 10/10 mark.

[Ramon]

Quick update to this thread, I practiced all the methods given in this thread for around 3 hours continuous, to the point where my fingers where the cue slides through have gone sore and a bit bruised (I had to use a cue at the club with very bad sticky stuff on it).

All these things have massively improved my issue and made me change my allignment massively, I am now currently managing to hit centreball up and down the table around 7/10 times, which is a huge improvement from before when I could do it once out of 100.
Thanks for all the advice given, now I just need to aim for the 10/10 mark.

7/10 times is very good bud ,

I'm glad you found the Advices given by members in this thread , useful.


And now it's time to buy a good quality cue !!

[godjilla]

Hello, my first post here but I've gotten to the point that I need some help haha!.

On pretty much 90% of my shots I put unintentional right hand side on, even though through my own eyes the cue looks like im hitting the centre of the white.
I am a left handed player, right eye dominant (if that makes a difference, having cross dominance ive heard is a good thing?), -- I've been told and believe my cueing is straight and my stance is correct, but this is the main thing atm holding back my game imo.
One other thing I'm confused about is the position of the cue on my chin, I've been watching Barry Stark & Nic Barrow, getting conflicting opinions about the relevance of the dominant eye and probably bringing up a sour topic that gets spoken about too much ahah - dont want this to turn into an argument about that topic

Thanks for any help at all at this point

-Bobby

its nothing to do with your dominant eye - i had this problem few years ago .. so basically what happened with me was my line of aim wasnt correct - i was wayyy to the right of the line and im right handed player.. so yes what i thought was the middle of the white ball everyone else said i put a right spin. so yes find the correct line of aim and you ll be fine. good luck