Blasting shots in

[Semih_Sayginer]

of course its how you bend balls a fraction etc - but is it possible when smacking them hard? - i have never really thought about it.

youll still be able to transfer the side, even at speed, but its a very small amount that gets transferred, and at speed, it shouldnt help too much id imagine, as its more likely to make you miss, unless your a very good cueist

[ADR147]

youll still be able to transfer the side, even at speed, but its a very small amount that gets transferred, and at speed, it shouldnt help too much id imagine, as its more likely to make you miss, unless your a very good cueist

logic dictates if you are a professional player you are an above average cueist? - on a serious note i think i am going to pop next door and try this out!

[trevs1]

The ball you are bending though is the one that is struck by the cue, not another ball.

No matter how much spin is applied to a 'Cueball', as it strikes the 'Object ball', it's only the same point of contact..EVERY SINGLE TIME.

Snooker balls are spheres, and as such, can't strike each other on ANY 'edge' like a cue tip can. I do understand though that a spinning cueball can cause some 'very slight' degree of friction on the object ball, but this is not going to be particularly controlable, OR, desireable for professional snooker players.

If there's ANY coach out there reading this, I'd love to be corrected if my thinking on it is wrong. After all, being able to consistently strike centre white is one of the most valueable things any player can possess, and, any shots where side is used is done only to aid and effect the movement of the cueball, not the object ball.

As I said, I'd love to hear different from Del perhaps, or any pro's that might read this. It would be very very new to me.

[Semih_Sayginer]

logic dictates if you are a professional player you are an above average cueist? - on a serious note i think i am going to pop next door and try this out!

that post was aimed at you (not in a bad way)...ive no idea how good or bad you are at snooker...likewise my top break could be totally different to what i admit to, and i might play more than the once every two months i admit to too....anyway, as i was saying, only the very acurate would see any advantage at high speed IMHO

theres video of the transfer of spin available on the net.....best viwed with striped "9 ball balls"

[Semih_Sayginer]

The ball you are bending though is the one that is struck by the cue, not another ball.

No matter how much spin is applied to a 'Cueball', as it strikes the 'Object ball', it's only the same point of contact..EVERY SINGLE TIME.

Snooker balls are spheres, and as such, can't strike each other on ANY 'edge' like a cue tip can. I do understand though that a spinning cueball can cause some 'very slight' degree of friction on the object ball, but this is not going to be particularly controlable, OR, desireable for professional snooker players.

If there's ANY coach out there reading this, I'd love to be corrected if my thinking on it is wrong. After all, being able to consistently strike centre white is one of the most valueable things any player can possess, and, any shots where side is used is done only to aid and effect the movement of the cueball, not the object ball.

As I said, I'd love to hear different from Del perhaps, or any pro's that might read this. It would be very very new to me.

trevs, putting side on the cue ball will see a slight transfer of side onto the object ball, which an be used as "helping side" when potting....theres vids available online, using striped balls, where you can see the spin transfering so that the object balls stripes dont run perfectly in line.....its very minimal, but it does transfer

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[ADR147]

if you strike a ball with say left hand side it will impart right hand side on the object ball to some extent - this can be seen easily on the pool websites and is in essence what we all do naturally or am i wrong? - but without a doubt trevs there is such a thing as helping side.

[Semih_Sayginer]

something like this:-

http://www.engr.colostate.edu/~dga/p...eos/NV4-15.htm

(put sound up)

loads of stuff on that site - http://www.engr.colostate.edu/~dga/pool/index.html

[Semih_Sayginer]

if you strike a ball with say left hand side it will impart right hand side on the object ball to some extent - this can be seen easily on the pool websites .

youre entirely correct with this ADR

[poolqjunkie]

I believe that the pros hitting the shots with authority into the pockets, such as a steep cut into the side and stun it for the black, or a red very close to the bottom rail to stun run through for the black and such, just shows that they are very precise with their aim, and cueing very well to execute their delivery.

Also, I notice that some clubs like to make their pockets very small, and some tables have a very curved edge at the pockets, which can make these shots very hard to make at speed, even for pros players.

I also notice for the rail shots (when the object ball is very close to the cushion), the rails tend to form an illusion causing the player to cut the ball thinner. I think it is due to the rail forming a straight line right next to the ball, thus causing the shot to look like it should follow a line parallel to the rail in some ways. Your eyes therefore need to make the correct judgement on the aiming point with these kind of shots, especially if you have to hit it hard. Some people seem to always cut them thin.

Moreover, since the pockets are smaller on these kind of cuts, it is important to know where the "pocket" is. I know it sounds silly, but I used to always aim at the jaw, rather than the pocket, when the red is close to the cushion, without noticing it--sp I missed these shots all the time. Now I make sure I am aiming the red into the "heart" of the pocket, it has made a big difference with my success on these type of shots.

About using english to pot balls at speed, I think it is possible. You can try to aim the blue full ball , on say a 3/4 ball pot off the edge of the D into the far corner, and then apply english on the cue ball intentionally (right english for the left corner and vice versa). It is possible to make the pot, even at speed. I am not sure if the pros use this. I only try it for fun, or if I need to say hold the cue ball after I make the blue in the side, but I never really do this with power shots.

[Semih_Sayginer]

About using english to pot balls at speed, I think it is possible. You can try to aim the blue full ball , on say a 3/4 ball pot off the edge of the D into the far corner, and then apply english on the cue ball intentionally (right english for the left corner and vice versa). It is possible to make the pot, even at speed. I am not sure if the pros use this. I only try it for fun, or if I need to say hold the cue ball after I make the blue in the side, but I never really do this with power shots.

im not convinced 100% either that potting using side etc to help the object ball in at speed would help more, but it certainly CAn help when "average shot speed" is used (not blasting)

(good post pqj)

[kester]

As it's been explained to me the amount of side transfered to the object ball from the cue ball will depend on where you strike the cue ball aswell, bottom left or right will impart the most where as top side will impart very little which is maybe why not many notice due to putting a little top on most shots?

[Semih_Sayginer]

As it's been explained to me the amount of side transfered to the object ball from the cue ball will depend on where you strike the cue ball aswell, bottom left or right will impart the most where as top side will impart very little which is maybe why not many notice due to putting a little top on most shots?

if you look on the cueball as a clockface, the more extreme edge of the cueball you hit, and if struck correctly, will put most spin onto the object ball.

10 o clock, and 8 o clock struck "the same" will transfer "the same" even though one is top centre and other is below centre....though slight non conformance to this will be in order due to the cloth etc.....and the amount of friction, but in general, a little top, as opposed to a little bottom wont see any noticeable difference to side spin imparting, but could do if using extreme top with side, and extreme bottom with side, due to contact with cloth, and balls leaving the slate bed etc.....

[kester]

What about bottom with side transfering some top to the object ball aswell, don't know if this is possible or would make any difference if it did.

[Mellow Yellow]

Going back to the original theme i love the sound it makes when you strike it so sweet and the on ball fires into the pocket. (the 3 clicks)

to me its just like:
Hitting the underside of the cross bar/inside of the post and scoring a goal,
Really middling a cricket ball for six,
That ping your driver makes when teeing off.

None of the above sounds actually make any difference to what your doing, its just pleasurable and gives you a sense of perfection in my opinion.

[dantuck_7]

Going back to the original theme i love the sound it makes when you strike it so sweet and the on ball fires into the pocket. (the 3 clicks)

to me its just like:
Hitting the underside of the cross bar/inside of the post and scoring a goal,
Really middling a cricket ball for six,
That ping your driver makes when teeing off.

None of the above sounds actually make any difference to what your doing, its just pleasurable and gives you a sense of perfection in my opinion.

I agree striking a football well and then the sound of the net rippling.

Or the sound of a fast-bowler taking out the middle stump and then watching it cartwheel backwards!