Parris Cues

[snookergr]

The price which indicated at 440 pounds is for the ultimate cue without any decoration.
Of course there are cheaper cues in his store.
Decoration is something extra we all know that.
If I was to decorate my cue with X splices of wood, or X veneers or even have my name embroided then the price would go high.
These are different issues.

In any case we are talking about the leading maker to make you his best cue from his best wood selection, guarantee the craftsmanship with his leading name <-- you are obviously going to pay for all that!

However,
No ultimate cue in the Parris store costs 750 pounds.
This was a completely false statement.
You can check on his website.
Simple enough.

The point I was trying to make is the unfairness in certain posts.

Finally, I NEVER EXPRESSED the view that Parris cues are cheap and I do not argue that you can buy one from another maker (not the leading name) for less money.
Whether you will pay VAT or not is a whole different issue.

My 15 years of experience and the fact that I have knocked in centuries with ordinary cues, and with the most expensive ones, show me that the talent is in the player not in the cue.

Enjoy your snooker :-)

snookergr

[oselifer]

The point I was trying to make is the fact that no ultimate cue in the Parris store costs 750 pounds.
This was a completely false statement.

My 15 years of experience allow me to comment on certain cues.

Yes 750 is totally false...

But 550 to 600 is an average price for an ultimate as i don't understand how you won't pay vat...
So i think Parris ultimate is overpriced..

But Wooldridge's cues are expensive too as his custom model starts at 450 and can reach 600 and nobody mentionts it..

I have seen you play in a tournament in Greece and i can assure everyone that you are the best Greek player and your experience is very important...

[Oldgit]

I think that we are so lucky to have so much choice. Over the years I have dealt with nearly all of the cuemakers in this country and without exception they have all be really nice people and helpful. All the cues that I have had hand made for me have been well made and any problems that I have ever had have been sorted out quickly and efficiently.

Cues are no different from cars in that you can pay £100K+ for a car or you can pay below £10K for a car but both will get you from A to B the only difference is attention to detail and 'extras'.

Personally, and this is purely my own opinion, I prefer to deal directly with a cuemaker and so in the past have used Trevor White and John Parris. Both are experts in what they do and both have taken the time to talk me through exactly what I want 'face to face' and both have produced the very best cues that I have ever held. I have never wanted really 'fancy' looking cues with multi splicings but prefer either a plain black ebony butt or a single face splice so I have never had to pay silly money for cues. What I really have always wanted (and it makes no difference to a cues 'playablility') is perfectly even splicings, straight grain, nice looking 'chevrons' and perfect balance and I think all cuemakers can produce this but to specify high quality you have to pay higher prices than 'normal'

Basically it comes down to 'you pays your money, you makes your choice'!!

Oldgit

[ADR147]

michael get back to work what exactly is it you do in that control room!

[Oldgit]

michael get back to work what exactly is it you do in that control room!

I work hard to earn money to buy expensive cues which I then sell to you for half the price I paid for them and you then sell them on for a 100% profit!!

[snookergr]

Personally, and this is purely my own opinion, I prefer to deal directly with a cuemaker and so in the past have used Trevor White and John Parris. Both are experts in what they do and both have taken the time to talk me through exactly what I want 'face to face' and both have produced the very best cues that I have ever held. I have never wanted really 'fancy' looking cues with multi splicings but prefer either a plain black ebony butt or a single face splice so I have never had to pay silly money for cues. What I really have always wanted (and it makes no difference to a cues 'playablility') is perfectly even splicings, straight grain, nice looking 'chevrons' and perfect balance and I think all cuemakers can produce this but to specify high quality you have to pay higher prices than 'normal'

Basically it comes down to 'you pays your money, you makes your choice'!!
Oldgit

Couldn't have said it better.

As a matter of fact, I agree that the decoration on the cue is not of much importance, what is important is the wood selection, the grain pattern (the only difference it makes is regarding the aiming and the way it looks!), the balance point, the butt and tip diameter, the weight.

I totally agree that the likes of John, Trevor, Mike, Kevin are v. good professionals in what they do and they will take the time to deal with a customer be it an amateur or a pro.

It is only a matter of choices.
Examples.
1. John Higgins prefer the grains to point to the butt and not the tip!
2. Ron prefers to have his cue more thinner tapered than your ordinary cue

At the end of the day you can't go wrong when dealing with the abovementioned manufacturers.

However a new cue will not necessarily make you a better player BUT the double lineup will

I hate to see all these new kids who buy the most expensive cues (true most of the are JP!) and they do not even know the basics.
It is better to work on your technique with an ordinary cue (as long as it is straight) and after a couple of years make one that will suit your needs and choose the best value for money, visit the stores, spend time and money.

snookergr

[ste bed]

i personaly like parris cues i have owned 3 of them all from parris directly. the 1st was a superior i bought about 5 years ago paid just over £400 with sd joint and 2 extensions.the second was a classic which i bought for my dad paid £260 and the third was a ultimate number 925 it was a 1 piece maple cue with a limited edition 1 splice s.d joint and 2 extensions cost £620. it was a lovely cue perfect in every way build wise but i now dont think it was worth the money i think you need to play with a cue before buying.also when i ordered the ultimate i asked 1st for a solid snake wood butt but he advised against it as snakewood splits easy and he would have to find a good log to cut up and he told me i wouldnt get much change from a grand.

people always say parris cues arent value for money but they do sell very well when you sell them on. and i personaly have never seen a bad parris cue the only problem i had with him was the wait on the ultimate. i ordered it october 05 i recived the cue november 06 i then had to send the cue back because of the tip size i asked for 10.5 mm he made it more like a american pool cue where the taiper gets a little thicker at the top which i didnt like so i told him to change the tip to 10mm which turned out to be better to play with for me and put a normal taiper on it this took another 3 weeks but when it came it was right.

[Watford]

If you haven't seen a bad Parris you haven't seen many.
I've actually see a fake that was better than one real one I saw.
Played with a real Exclusive £390.10 if new with VAT. It was like a whittled down broom handle. I've never seen splicing so uneven, a taper so chucky.

I'm not going into all the Parris cues I've played with again but it's quite a few. Some are good, some are great but I have seen a couple of shockers.
That's why I say always play with a Parris before you buy.
I've not played with an ultimate but I can't understand where the money is going. If they are always perfect then maybe.

As for value there are alot of Parris' for sale why do people not keep them.
The resale is a funny thing too.
if you buy a Parris for £400 and sell it for £300 you've lost £100.
You buy a North West cue for £200 and sell it for £100 you've still only lost £100.

I'm not totally down on Parris seen some great ones but you can get cues as good for less money. Without the same variation in quality and without as many fakes knocking around.

[ste bed]

i have seen hundreds of parris cues i play in 2 different leagues 1 with 18 teams and 1 with 16 teams and there are also quite afew snooker halls round where i live so i get to see alot of cues and i honestly havent seen a bad 1

[ADR147]

i have seen hundreds of parris cues i play in 2 different leagues 1 with 18 teams and 1 with 16 teams and there are also quite afew snooker halls round where i live so i get to see alot of cues and i honestly havent seen a bad 1

i have seen plenty but plenty of good ones aswell.

[ADR147]

I work hard to earn money to buy expensive cues which I then sell to you for half the price I paid for them and you then sell them on for a 100% profit!!

keep at it because i fancy buying this. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...m=220309540857

[mattyshinobi22]

now that is a thing of beauty

[ADR147]

yes its a special version as well being a manual - if it had the ceramic brakes i would be ringing the bank manager!

[mattyshinobi22]

just bought a parris elite off ebay for 240

loverly cue shame the tip size is 9.4, looks like 9mm lol

well i am used to 10mm. so put it bk on ebay

wonder how much parris charges for alterations?
57 inch cue put to 57.5, short tip to at least 9.7 mm, extending from butt?

that thought crossed my mind before ebay lol
due to the ash shaft is awsome!

[platt]

yes its a special version as well being a manual - if it had the ceramic brakes i would be ringing the bank manager!

Hi mate , if your Bank Manager is like the ones over here you be told, THE COMPUTER SAYS NO !! lol