Parris Cues

[kevy62]

you are right about cue choice is very personal to the user, but it's all about making as much money as possible & that comes down to marketing i'm afraid.

We all want to perform to our best, in theory a better cue could help
(if you have any talent to start with that is) but without sounding too one sided, JP's cues have probably won more World titles /championships than any other single cuemaker?

This is due in no small part, to the fact that back in the early days, JP would supply cues FOC to carefuly selected top professional players.
OK this was some time ago but it was actually a stroke of marketing genius !

The comment below is plastered across JP's website & quite rightly so!
he will probably double his turnover this month due to this "fact" alone!

Congratulations to Ricky Walden on winning the 2008 Shanghai Masters with his new Parris Cue


At the end of the day, as the saying goes "the proof of the pudding is in the eating" so to speak ! the results do speak for themselves ? don't they ?

[ADR147]

We all want to perform to our best, in theory a better cue could help
(if you have any talent to start with that is) but without sounding too one sided, JP's cues have probably won more World titles /championships than any other single cuemaker? really what makes you say that. name them.

This is due in no small part, to the fact that back in the early days, JP would supply cues FOC to carefuly selected top professional players.
OK this was some time ago but it was actually a stroke of marketing genius ! yes it was and i for one admire the way in which he has done it. plus some of those players have sent the cues a couple of days later to a well known scottish based cue dealer to sell on for them

The comment below is plastered across JP's website & quite rightly so!
he will probably double his turnover this month due to this "fact" alone!

Congratulations to Ricky Walden on winning the 2008 Shanghai Masters with his new Parris Cue maybe not double but if its true why not say it!


At the end of the day, as the saying goes "the proof of the pudding is in the eating" so to speak ! the results do speak for themselves ? don't they ?

comments above.

[platt]

Another thread for the freeze... lol

[Judas]

Hi All, new to this forum but been lurking for a while. Saw this thread today and thought I'd offer my thoughts. I have been away from the game for about 10 years - coincides with having taken up golf seriously again after a decade away from it (spot the pattern here?) anyway, I had my Parris cue made by John when he was still in Bromley and I was living in Singapore then so my cousin collected it. It was and still is a lovely playing cue although I was very uninformed and went for an 8.5mil tip back then. Notwithstanding my ignorance it is a lovely custom cue (a paragon nowadays) and I played well with it. I achieved my highest break of 71 with it and could have gotten a ton if I hadnt put inadvertent side on a ball though a combination of my dodgy cueing and a tiny tip.

I have seen a lot of comments on this site such as (and I'm paraphrasing) "everyone who owns a parris cue has more money than sense"... and I did pay fair whack for it but it was beautifully made, hand planed and naturally weighted. I dont think he had access to ultra sophisticated tooling at the time but it was a thing of beauty. His wooden case made by Keith Chapman was a basic pine box stained dark but even that was a labour of love. J Parris Cues, Bromley with his old number was written in very good calligraphy by hand in gold.

I could chop the ferrule off and obtain a bigger tip size with a retaper and lengthen via 4 lower splices but it seems a shame to butcher it now that I use an Osborne red plate. I am a little more consistent now but that does not detract from the fact that the Parris is still a top performer, true and was always well made from the off despite me bashing it on tables in my youth and leaving it in the boot of my car for months. It is just a very well made thing. I cannot comment on more recent offerings. Coming form a golfers point of view, what I will say is this, just because you are given free equipment as a pro does not mean that it will stay in your bag if you are not winning / playing well. Free cues are not reason enough for people to keep playing them because the suggestion there is that pros are short of a few quid. Please restrain yourselves from pointing out the glaringly obvious prize fund differentials between the 2 sports. I am well aware of it.
Nevertheless, most pros who are winning will not switch unless whatever they were given played exceptionally well and unlike golf where equipment endorsement deals are worth millions to soften the blow of playing crap with the new gear for a while, I really dont think the same applies to snooker. I appreciate that what was said was done so in cynical jest but on a more serious note, you are a pro, you have to earn your money to compete / live on and maintain you rankings so you certainly wouldnt pick up free cues if they were no good. And I bought my JP in 89/90 - long ago enough that there simply weren't any others worth considering apart from Hunt & O'Byrne (who went bust in '91).

[sunny3909]

I won't waste 4 months waiting for a parris cue when I can get the same or even better quality from Mike woolridge Classic & Pro series or a carefully selected 1pc Mastercue which are easily availiable in stock.

[Judas]

Thats your perogative as a consumer ...as it is anyone elses who *does* wish to get one. Just a little bit of smugness seems to creep into these threads whenever JP is mentioned like all who own one are excessively underinformed sheep caught up in the vortex of his relentless marketing tool ( his '99 website- designed by his son).

Pretty subjective thing, cues.

I have a lot of time for well crafted Thai cues as I am from he reigion originally but from some of he pictures I've seen of the more elaborately spliced Trevor White cues I'd happily wait however long the cuesmith took to create it. Finding TSF has been a revelation although I've extensively consulted Mike Woolridge's very informative site about cue care/ maintenance and general info before I got into the game again. I'm not a great player so in no hurry to go out and win comps. I'd rather have a nice cue made to the makers best ability (even if it wasn't a complicated design) if going down the custom route. Careful selection has its place also, as my Osborne (20 min drive) was a 1 piece initially off the rack and had a joint put in. Just felt nice and so I got it. No wait as they are in Tooting. JP is also local to me as I am in East Dulwich and he is a 5 min drive away. H&O when they were trading was a 10min drive.

Been working in web development since '96 and am hardly surprised that the internet has brought about a whole realm of possibilities in purchasing. While its nice to feel things in person when "carefully selecting" an in stock item, it is good to know that you can quite easily spec up a custom order online with pictures / descriptions and such. When I'm a bit better, I would aspire to include examples of Trevor's or Mike's work to my collection but I am not 100% on my requirements at the moment. I'm in no great hurry. BTW, my Parris cue will be 20 years old in a couple of months and still in great nick which makes it a baby compared to Burwats, etc that are still played today. For me it was worth the wait because there wasnt much choice back then and he was a fringe / specialist maker then.... virtually unheard of in the Far East. "What is this cue? ... a John Parrot?" , was the typical enquiries I had at the time. So Took more than a few mouseclicks to find good custom makers 2 decades ago..... sun....

times change of course and reputations built on quality and standards can and do crumble with the falling of those standards so I hear what you are saying: You wont bother with a parris cue when there are altenrnatives.

[ADR147]

We all want to perform to our best, in theory a better cue could help
(if you have any talent to start with that is) but without sounding too one sided, JP's cues have probably won more World titles /championships than any other single cuemaker?

right as far as i can see in the total history of snooker a john parris cue has won exactly one world championship. john higgins first one in 1998. so by your argument kevin muncaster with three must be better?

[noel]

right as far as i can see in the total history of snooker a john parris cue has won exactly one world championship. john higgins first one in 1998. so by your argument kevin muncaster with three must be better?

That's a good one Andrew!
So... who's cues did win the WCs (not water closets) then?


=o)


Noel

[tallguy]

right as far as i can see in the total history of snooker a john parris cue has won exactly one world championship. john higgins first one in 1998. so by your argument kevin muncaster with three must be better?

Is this correct ?

ADR147, if it is not too much trouble can you please post the list of cues which won say the last 15 or 20 world championships. Just out of curiosity . Please don't bother if its too much of a hassle.

[Judas]

I won't waste 4 months waiting for a parris cue when I can get the same or even better quality from Mike woolridge Classic & Pro series or a carefully selected 1pc Mastercue which are easily availiable in stock.

what did the mod do to my post? it said awaiting approval then *poof* not a trace it ever existed. is there a JP kick/ban filter on here?

[ste bed]

2008 r o'sullivan parris cue
2007 j higgins north west cue
2006 g dott andy gibbs *
2005 s murphy old cue
2004 r o'sullivan parris cue
2003 m williams o min ?
2002 p ebdon old rack cue
2001 r o'sullivan parrs cue
2000 m williams o min
1999 s hendry power glide
1998 j higgins parris cue
1997 k doherty old cue
1996/1992 s hendry power glide
1991 j parrott peradon but not sure back then

graeme dott uses a gibbs cue but didnt he use a parris a few years ago?

[oselifer]

So 4 out of 10 are with jp in last decade but 3 of them are Ronnie's and i am sure Ronnie would win with any cue his championships...

[Watford]

So old rack cues are the best then sorted!
I could think were you got 3 Northwest cue wins ADR I can only think of John Higgins who has one in the top flight.

[ADR147]

So old rack cues are the best then sorted!
I could think were you got 3 Northwest cue wins ADR I can only think of John Higgins who has one in the top flight.

oops forgot about ronnie - think 2 of his hree are with parris the other with a burwat.

kevin muncaster made the cue mark williams won two world titles with.

[ste bed]

i think all of ronnies world titles where won with a parris cue and i didnt know kevin muncaster made m williams cue trevor white will know for sure i belive he fixed it after it was damaged coming back from ireland.