"Average Club Player"

[kevy62]

hi there, I think it depends what level of player you are? but as far as points go . Just two 35/40 breaks, made back to back in one single frame, should be enough to win most league matches, minus any handicapping of course. or just one 70+ will get the job done faster & drill your opponent's confidence into the table too

[steedee]

I think the thing that annoys me is when I hear comments like "Im not great but I can get breaks of around 70-80" It annoys me because I think a) your lying b) your far far too modest or c) Your not average thats bloody good!

A friend of mine has always been a bit colourful with the truth, we went for a game of snooker once (i suspect he'd never played before) i asked him his highest break "its about 120" he replied.

obviously he thought that was an average break.

i beat him 5-0

my highest break was 26(ish)

he possibly got an 8 at some point

[RocketRoy1983]

Being a good player is about consistancy.

There are about about 8 lads I play snooker with. All of them have had breaks of around 70-130, but most of them are very lucky to make a 30-40 on an average night. 20-30 is about usual for most breaks. I would class them as average club players, despite the fact they all have impressive high breaks.

There are a couple of them who knock in 50+'s quite regularly. I would class them as very good players!

Checkside I would class ANY player capable of getting a break of 120 as abit above average!

[checkSide]

Checkside I would class ANY player capable of getting a break of 120 as abit above average!

Hahahahaha. I totally agree Roy.

I was just making the point that it's about consistency.
One lad I play with has a few tons under his belt, the only one I have witnessed being a 129 clearance around a year ago. His highest break since then is a 80 odd.

I play against him almost daily and his usual breaks are between the 20-40 mark, with the odd 50+ every fortnight or so. Although he is an excellent player, despite the impressive high break he is beatable due to the fact his usual beaks aren't that high! Although I do get a 25 start every frame.

[ADR147]

Hahahahaha. I totally agree Roy.

I was just making the point that it's about consistency.
One lad I play with has a few tons under his belt, the only one I have witnessed being a 129 clearance around a year ago. His highest break since then is a 80 odd.

I play against him almost daily and his usual breaks are between the 20-40 mark, with the odd 50+ every fortnight or so. Although he is an excellent player, despite the impressive high break he is beatable due to the fact his usual beaks aren't that high! Although I do get a 25 start every frame.

he sounds like me! in truth though the handicap system in all leagues is poor for example if i make a break of 40 odd and i know its enough to win the frame i will be missing in order to ensure i don't have to give a bigger start in the future!

[nam1977]

Beginner club player comes in and just knock balls about the table trying to make that loud thud noise of the object ball hammering into the pocket, usualy 1 or 2 at a time, and are extremly happy about it, they are not bothered about unintentional saftey or where the colours end up. Usualy just manage about 2-3 frames before budget runs out.

A average club player comes in and still knocks balls about, but with prob 2 reds and 2 colours, (3 of each if they're feeling extremly talented that night) max break, within 1-2 frames out of so many. With loads of unitentional safetys and pushing colours safe, but are actualy concerned about their table behaviour (damn sounds like me) each time they come.

A good club player comes in and knocks in 25-48 breaks consistantly in match, each and every night. Doesn't play to tactical, but has some knowledge on it. Is very hard to beat.
Will wipe the floor with first exihbit, but might get beaten by second exhibit on a bad night.

A extremly good/semi pro club player comes in and knocks 55-centurys in match (actualy quite a rare specimine in most clubs) constantly with good on purpose tactical saftey play, anytime they are there, and is unbeatable by the first two class of club players, but beatable by third class club players on a bad night also.

The way I and some of the players I know rank this way.
You get ranked on your average break in match, not your once in a blue moon high break. It has to be regular breaks in match that classifies you in the class.

Thanks for reading.
I'm trying to break into the third class of club players which I find very hard. Think I need to sort out my mental side of the game before I get there

But heres to hoping

[matoski]

This a very, very good explanation of the club players. Great post nam1977. If i was in Britain i supose i would be in that 3rd group of players right now.

[chumba75]

"A average club player comes in and still knocks balls about, but with prob 2 reds and 2 colours, (3 of each if they're feeling extremly talented that night) max break, within 1-2 frames out of so many. With loads of unitentional safetys and pushing colours safe, but are actualy concerned about their table behaviour (damn sounds like me) each time they come."

That sounds exactly like me :P

[kwb]

True, You can't win a match without break building though. If you miss ahilst in amongst the balls.. it usually is curtains! Break building is the best way of gauging talent IMO...

You can win a frame without break-building though! I won one last week without a single double-figure break. It was also one of the longest frames I've played for a long-time. A real war of attrition.

[RocketRoy1983]

Im sorry checkside but if you have a break in the region of 70-130 you are not an "average" club player. Sure, that might not occur often, maybe even once, but you are a very good player with advanced knowledge of the game.

[uuuyuuu]

And i am trying to break into the first class

[checkSide]

Im sorry checkside but if you have a break in the region of 70-130 you are not an "average" club player. Sure, that might not occur often, maybe even once, but you are a very good player with advanced knowledge of the game.

Yes I know they are good players Roy, but that is the average standard of our club players, and virtually every other club in the league. Every team has a couple of players that have made tons, whilst almost every player in the league has a high break of over 50.

That's how you mathematically determine an average.

I suppose it all depends on what kind of clubs you play in and against.

And I'll tell you something else for free. Our league is probably the weakest of the three leagues local to here.

[RocketRoy1983]

Then, and im sure most would agree, your league is a very strong one much stronger than the average once-weekly league.

That is a very good standard indeed.

[checkSide]

Then, and im sure most would agree, your league is a very strong one much stronger than the average once-weekly league.

That is a very good standard indeed.

I know it sounds strong, but as I explained earlier in the thread, players are not very consistent.
To give you an example, in the 12 matches we've played this season, I've only witnessed two breaks over 50! lol

So you can see, most players are very capable, but not many are consistent enough to make big breaks in one off competitive frames.

[RocketRoy1983]

Yes I think the problem these days is most players who play in teams only play oneframe once a week or club players not so often due to the smoking ban and the credit crunch. Therefore players who cant put the practice in arent as consistent.

I see your point here checkside.