"Average Club Player"

[snooker warrior]

You can win a frame without break-building though! I won one last week without a single double-figure break. It was also one of the longest frames I've played for a long-time. A real war of attrition.

i dont mind those games,, its a great feeling if you can out wit a good player or grind out a win when not at your best especially when its 2-2 and your game means more to your team !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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average depends on who plays in your club

Average is a grey term, when the commentators on tv say "club player" they mean a century break player.

[Piston]

i dont mind those games,, its a great feeling if you can out wit a good player or grind out a win when not at your best especially when its 2-2 and your game means more to your team !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That's a good feeling. I've been playing in a league for the first time and in one match where both frames were close, I pinched them on the black

We were both playing safe and only leaving long shots for the black. I felt pretty confident that I would pot the long shot before my opponent, and sure enough that's what happened

The guy I beat disappeared after that and we never saw him for the rest of the night!

[poolqjunkie]

The saying, "the more you know, the more you don't know" comes to mind. I remember when i made my first 60+ break i felt like I was on top of the world and I considered myself a 'top" player in my own right.
Then I made a bit more, and I felt even better. Soon, I made a century and I though I could beat everyone.
It was when i played a better player who beat me consistently that I realized there are lots of players who are capable of making centuries consistently who are not even playing that much. I lost many frames making breaks of 40+ and sometimes I missed a pot I was down over 40 points when I come back to the table--I missed another shot I needed snooker.
I started to consider myself just an average player, may be a bit below average. Although I have made some breaks of 70+, one 82, and one century, but my average "high" break in a frame is usually around only 40, which is not enough for me to win. I also need to learn so much more about the tactical side of the game.
So, I suppose it depends on who you compare yourself with when you say you are average.
In my honest opinion, I do not consider myself a good player at all, not even an average player.
Losing to someone who can clear up or win in one visit is certainly a humbling experience that has made me realize how tough this game truly is and how much more I need to learn. There are so many players who can make centuries on a daily basis but could not win anything.
You are only as good as the game you are playing regardless of your highest break.

[RocketRoy1983]

[QUOTE=poolqjunkie;347408] Although I have made some breaks of 70+, one 82, and one century, but my average "high" break in a frame is usually around only 40, which is not enough for me to win. QUOTE]


poolqjunkie 40+ break would be enough to beat a lot of players if, hypotetically speaking, you didnt rest on your laurels and played a good safety game and maybe knocked a few colours safe late on.

[poolqjunkie]

[QUOTE=RocketRoy1983;347456]

Although I have made some breaks of 70+, one 82, and one century, but my average "high" break in a frame is usually around only 40, which is not enough for me to win. QUOTE]


poolqjunkie 40+ break would be enough to beat a lot of players if, hypotetically speaking, you didnt rest on your laurels and played a good safety game and maybe knocked a few colours safe late on.

First of all, I said average around 40 because sometimes i cannot even make a 20. Then sometimes when the balls are all on the spot I can knock in a few.

Secondly, there are a lot of shots I do not know how to play, and many situations I do not know what to do, and many shots I cannot play consistently. Sometimes, I do not know which shot is the right shot. I have lost quite a few frames when my opponent just made bigger breaks and beat me.

I suppose I could beat some players who do not play as good as me, but I am not interested in comparing myself with those players. I have also lost to many players when I was really not playing too bad by my standard--they just played better. Then I have played with some players who just made shots that i know I could nto make with as much ease and control, and they were just clearly better. But even these players cannot win anything.

So, I just consider myself a below average player.

Snooker is a very funny game, if you cannot pot enough balls you will lose, no matter what your highest break may be. Safety can open a door for you to pot, but you still need to be able to pot enough balls once the the door is open. My ability to pot enough balls is not even average in my opinion. Hopefully, that woudl improve in time with more practice and experience.

[Burwat Champ]

I suppose it depends on the club you play in and the players you compare yourself to.

My highest break is 123 and I have had over 20 centuries in total but my average breaks are only 50-60 so I have always described myself as an average player.

Now the lad I practice has never had a century but in a 10 frame session he will nearly always have 3 breaks above 70 so to me he would be above average due to his consitancy making frame winning breaks.

[Stunrunthru]

An average club player to me would be someone who can probably knock in the odd 20-30 break and play most of the basic shots - ie screw, stun, follow thru

[goshow]

Just looking through some old threads here and see that most people consider the average club player to be someone who makes regular 70+ breaks. I have to dissagree and personally think your standrards are too high.

I believe an 'average' club player to be someone who regularly make the 50's and has only ever made the occasional break in the 70's.

Now i say this because my local league has some absolute class players in it, a few of which are pro / ex-pro players, some who are on the PIOS and some who are just great players of the game.

I was looking through the highest breaks of this weeks league and as your will see below, there's not too many huge breaks:

Ashley Wright -102
Paul Clark -66
Alan Edmonds - 54
Martyn Shaw - 49
Lee Blanchard - 43
Terry Burns - 43
Chris Fuller - 42
Craig Waddingham - 40
Nige Emmerson - 40
Andy Williamson - 38
Jamie Barrett - 37
Stuart Carrington - 36
Mick Ponsonby - 35, 34, & 31
Ian Singleton - 35
Jamie Richardson - 35
Karl Krajnyak - 33
Danny Reynolds - 32 & 30
Ade Scrimshaw - 32
Brian Ryley - 32
Gary Skipworth - 31, 31 & 30
Phil Robinson - 31


Now the best breaks of the season so far:
Jamie Barrett 138 114 101 97 74 72 72 71 69 68 67 66 65 62 61 59 53
Ashley Wright 121 102 95 80 76 74 74 69 63 58 57 54 52 50
Gary Skipworth 114 111 100 62 57 53 52 51
Craig Waddingham 105 77 67 64 60 57 53 51 51 51 50
Paul Metcalf 97 85 84 84 84 78 66 65 65 52
Lee Plant 96 56
Paul Jackson 83
Stuart Carrington 82 72 68 66 60 60 55 54
Paul Clark 82 72 66 52 50
Ivan Harvey 81
Nigel Emmerson 77 75 56
Jamie Green 76 71
Jon Ashford-Smith 71 58
Jon Steel 70 69 64 58
Mike Dowling 70 50
Jamie Richardson 69 55 50
Paul Smith 68 64 56
Dave Burton 68
Lee Blanchard 68
Phil Robinson 66 56 55
Steve Donner 64 60 53
Mark Wilkinson 64 54
Brian Hotson 62
Stuart Swinburn 61 60 51
Karl Krajnyak 60 58
Alan Edmonds 60 55 54
Luke Maddison 59
John Parker 58 57
Lee Greig 58
Karl Levington 58
Ian Crosby 56 51
Tim Seddon 56

Some good breaks in there and some well known players but it is clear to see that not too many 'average' 70+ breaks.