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    Greetings to all,
    my name is Catherine. I was going through some sites about snooker and i came accross a conversation some members were having in the Forum and since i had to be a member to reply i immediately registered. The conversation started a long time ago and it was about women's highest break in snooker (officially). As i read the threads one specific one caught my attention, the comment in this thread was that men don't have any physical advantages over women and the reason women do not play as well is that we are not good enough. I would like to bring some light onto this subject if i may. I am a pool player but i have recently taken up snooker and will be representing my country in Latvia in June.
    A bit of history...
    I have been playing Black Ball Pool (English pool) for the last 10 years now, my team have been winning the Championship and Cup for the last 6 years (with exception to two years ago). I am the only woman in the championship. I am a main player since our team only has 6 players which means i play every week, this year i only lost two games with only four matches to go. We are currently No.1 with a 6 point lead.
    This Saturday I am playing my Country's Singles quarter-final in Black ball (again i am the only woman). I am also the No.1 in Women's American pool in my country.
    So to sum up... i can hold a cue
    To the subject: Men DO have physical advantages over women. Women must overcome these obstacles in order to be able to play as well.
    1. We have a chest for one thing. I am sure men wouldn't be able to play so well if they had an uneven surface for the cue to slide over and would have to adjust their whole body, arm, back and swing in order to hit a ball properly and as intended. It doesn't matter how many years go by and how well i have adapted to my body, my chest still gets in the way. Reasons for this is that a womans chest changes constantly due to hormones or even the bra we may wear You don't find any books or coaches telling you how to play if you have a chest.
    Lucky for men, they don't have this constant annoyance and battle.
    2. Women's hormones are not a laughing matter Just as they effect our chest, our moods, our sensitivity and body size they also effect our balance, concentration and accuracy. And boy are they inconsistant. Every month there are days i swear it's like i don't know how to hold a cue or even aim.
    3. Comparatively men are also taller than women. They are more able to lean over the table properly and not try and reach for everything all the time or use the rest.
    4. Mens hands and fingers are bigger than womens, the bridge created by something bigger and broader is more stable than something, softer and slimmer. This advantage also helps when the cue ball is in an awkward position and having to play over object balls since men can be more stable on one finger than women.

    5. On a last note... for women to play better we have to be more like men, less feminine. Let me elaborate:
    hair tied back or cut short,
    clothes worn to matches (a collared shirt, a tie and suit trousers) men wear these every day of their lives for all occasions, women wear them only for tournaments (they are not comfortable)
    nails cut.
    So basically being a man is an adavantage on its own. Plus men don't have to worry about being pregnant. I have had the pleasure of going through two pregnancies during my experience in pool and snooker, which meant i had to adapt to all the changes of my body, learnt to play differently, have the baby and then return to start all over again.How do we women manage these things?

    I think i will stop there for now. Trust me when i say sometimes it just aint fun being a woman in sports, but God knows I love the challenge

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    hi cats welcome to the forum first,ile go to your summing up most men arnt like some of pros alot are built like steven lee example and me i prob well know i have got a bigger chest than you otherwise you wouldnt be able to walk lol,mood swings ime the mardiest ******* in town no kid,i cant lean over the table because i suffer from fat belly syndrome +a bad back, i posted some pics on here awhile back and i have the shortest stubbiest fingers in the world never mind town ,on your last point i wear a wig and sometimes it falls across my eyes ,i dont have to cut my nails as pic proved when i posted i bite them,never been pregnant yet but have had 2 hip replacements ready for my knees to be done as well ,so what is your exscuse for not been able to play snooker i know why i cant ime --------c--p lol

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    • #3
      Hi Catherine

      I wrote this thread a while back as I'm an avid student of psychology and how it relates to sport. You might be interested: http://www.thesnookerforum.com/board...omen-s-Snooker

      I agree with you mostly. While the issues are definitely real, I mostly see it as a challenge rather than a setback or an excuse not to play well. Theoretically the more obstacles a person have, the more driven they should be.

      On another note, I will be in Latvia, though not as a player I'm writing a research paper on women and the athletic aspects of self-transcendence (that's the zone for most snooker players). If you don't mind, I'd love to just have a chat about women's involvement in sports and snooker with you, along with maybe any other women players you may know. Perhaps I can come and watch one of your games? I know in club standards women are more likely to be cooperative than competitive, but I want to know how this aspect materializes on a competitive level.

      P.S. Periods are EVIL. I once had a match to play with a full blown stomach cramp and headache, and my whole skin was itching all over from chalk allergies, which I think is hormonal because it only crops up on certain times of the month.

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      • #4
        Hi Catherine. Good luck with the competition in June!

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        • #5
          Hi CatS, welcome to the forum!

          Interesting post, thanks for your thoughts on this old favourite. But I'm glad you made those points and not me.

          -
          The fast and the furious,
          The slow and labourious,
          All of us, glorious parts of the whole!

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          • #6
            Stephen Lee's tits don't get in the way

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            • #7
              catS:

              I have had a few women students in my days as coach and I would like to point out a couple of things technique-wise. First of all if you have a standard set-up then the cue should be running to the outside of the breast and it's only very big chested women who run into this problem since, as you say, the size does vary due to hormones.

              Another point...butt diameter of cues for women. In most cases women will have smaller hands than men yet I have never come across a woman who has ordered a custom cue with a butt diameter at less than 29mm which is a size made for men (which I use and I have hands larger than the average woman). If I ever get another woman student (unlikely here in Canada) I have a 27mm butt cue here and I would like to experiment and see if it makes any difference.

              Terry
              Terry Davidson
              IBSF Master Coach & Examiner

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              • #8
                Very good post that Catherine . Very informative .
                Still trying to pot as many balls as i can !

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                • #9
                  Originally Posted by Terry Davidson View Post
                  catS:

                  I have had a few women students in my days as coach and I would like to point out a couple of things technique-wise. First of all if you have a standard set-up then the cue should be running to the outside of the breast and it's only very big chested women who run into this problem since, as you say, the size does vary due to hormones.

                  Another point...butt diameter of cues for women. In most cases women will have smaller hands than men yet I have never come across a woman who has ordered a custom cue with a butt diameter at less than 29mm which is a size made for men (which I use and I have hands larger than the average woman). If I ever get another woman student (unlikely here in Canada) I have a 27mm butt cue here and I would like to experiment and see if it makes any difference.

                  Terry

                  Terry , you need to chose your words carefully ........
                  Still trying to pot as many balls as i can !

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                  • #10
                    Originally Posted by Terry Davidson View Post
                    catS:

                    I have had a few women students in my days as coach and I would like to point out a couple of things technique-wise. First of all if you have a standard set-up then the cue should be running to the outside of the breast and it's only very big chested women who run into this problem since, as you say, the size does vary due to hormones.

                    Another point...butt diameter of cues for women. In most cases women will have smaller hands than men yet I have never come across a woman who has ordered a custom cue with a butt diameter at less than 29mm which is a size made for men (which I use and I have hands larger than the average woman). If I ever get another woman student (unlikely here in Canada) I have a 27mm butt cue here and I would like to experiment and see if it makes any difference.

                    Terry
                    Hi Terry

                    My cue butt is very slim - way too slim in fact for most people - and I do find that it helps with my grip a lot .

                    And I have no boobs yet I still suck. :P

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                    • #11
                      Originally Posted by CatS View Post
                      Greetings to all,
                      my name is Catherine. I was going through some sites about snooker and i came accross a conversation some members were having in the Forum and since i had to be a member to reply i immediately registered. The conversation started a long time ago and it was about women's highest break in snooker (officially). As i read the threads one specific one caught my attention, the comment in this thread was that men don't have any physical advantages over women and the reason women do not play as well is that we are not good enough. I would like to bring some light onto this subject if i may. I am a pool player but i have recently taken up snooker and will be representing my country in Latvia in June.
                      A bit of history...
                      I have been playing Black Ball Pool (English pool) for the last 10 years now, my team have been winning the Championship and Cup for the last 6 years (with exception to two years ago). I am the only woman in the championship. I am a main player since our team only has 6 players which means i play every week, this year i only lost two games with only four matches to go. We are currently No.1 with a 6 point lead.
                      This Saturday I am playing my Country's Singles quarter-final in Black ball (again i am the only woman). I am also the No.1 in Women's American pool in my country.
                      So to sum up... i can hold a cue
                      To the subject: Men DO have physical advantages over women. Women must overcome these obstacles in order to be able to play as well.
                      1. We have a chest for one thing. I am sure men wouldn't be able to play so well if they had an uneven surface for the cue to slide over and would have to adjust their whole body, arm, back and swing in order to hit a ball properly and as intended. It doesn't matter how many years go by and how well i have adapted to my body, my chest still gets in the way. Reasons for this is that a womans chest changes constantly due to hormones or even the bra we may wear You don't find any books or coaches telling you how to play if you have a chest.
                      Lucky for men, they don't have this constant annoyance and battle.
                      2. Women's hormones are not a laughing matter Just as they effect our chest, our moods, our sensitivity and body size they also effect our balance, concentration and accuracy. And boy are they inconsistant. Every month there are days i swear it's like i don't know how to hold a cue or even aim.
                      3. Comparatively men are also taller than women. They are more able to lean over the table properly and not try and reach for everything all the time or use the rest.
                      4. Mens hands and fingers are bigger than womens, the bridge created by something bigger and broader is more stable than something, softer and slimmer. This advantage also helps when the cue ball is in an awkward position and having to play over object balls since men can be more stable on one finger than women.

                      5. On a last note... for women to play better we have to be more like men, less feminine. Let me elaborate:
                      hair tied back or cut short,
                      clothes worn to matches (a collared shirt, a tie and suit trousers) men wear these every day of their lives for all occasions, women wear them only for tournaments (they are not comfortable)
                      nails cut.
                      So basically being a man is an adavantage on its own. Plus men don't have to worry about being pregnant. I have had the pleasure of going through two pregnancies during my experience in pool and snooker, which meant i had to adapt to all the changes of my body, learnt to play differently, have the baby and then return to start all over again.How do we women manage these things?

                      I think i will stop there for now. Trust me when i say sometimes it just aint fun being a woman in sports, but God knows I love the challenge
                      4) i deal with this by not planting my bridge when hampered lucily i have steady hands
                      Goddess Of All Things Cue Sports And Winner Of The 2012 German Masters and World Open Fantasy Games and the overall 2011-12 Fantasy Game

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                      • #12
                        neil:

                        Get your mind out of the gutter and back onto the curb with the rest of us. We talk like that over here. One example was I once asked a Glaswegian if he could give me a ride, meaning back to my hotel and he told me it has a whole separate meaning over there. Also, in north american 'pants' means trousers or slacks but to you it means underwear or panties. That's the way I talk.

                        Mike:

                        I noticed you said 'cue butt' on purpose to save Neil. If you still suck then get more practice (as long as you are delivering the cue straight)

                        Terry
                        Terry Davidson
                        IBSF Master Coach & Examiner

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