PL period 3 – Results

[The Statman]

Below are the results of the Second Round Prediction Contest for the Premier League.

Please check your score (and anyone else’s as you wish) and report any queries within 48 hours of the date/time displayed at the top of this thread. Any queries raised after this time will not be considered.

A quick reminder of the scoring: 2 points for the correct scoreline; one point for the scoreline one frame adrift.

There was a two-way tie for first place, which was resolved by looking at the number of matches in which points were scored:
crucible77: scored for 3 matches
jw147: scored for all 4 matches

Therefore, congratulations to jw147 for winning the round.

Please note also that Kingscratcher gained a bonus point (not included below but marked with a *) for correctly predicting the highest break of the round, which was Joe Perry’s 108.

Finally, may I apologise for the delay in bringing you this results thread.

Score	Predictor
6	jw147 (1st place) crucible77 (2nd place)
5	adrift drlog147
4	bobbond dazza Graemespeak João Kingscratcher * loser Marc Migtssf moondan RaNeN spike wildhoney28
3	Anastasia Caroline dantuck 7 highlander69 Kathrin kellie-text Martin76 Monique Odrl pat39 Perry snookersfun snooky147 steedee Stella147 StunShot The Statman thunder Valderie
2	Alex0paul alvessnooker attilahun Capelito Ellena JoanneT63 Miss S Mr Snooker Rane rivercard Skypigeon Viktortheman
1	JPK123 ljw112 murdock PaulTheSoave The Boss

[crucible77]

aww nuts i thought id won, congrats to jw147 but wouldnt it be fairer to look at number of correct results rather than matches scored in

[The Statman]

aww nuts i thought id won, congrats to jw147 but wouldnt it be fairer to look at number of correct results rather than matches scored in

No. The idea is to predict as many matches as possible. In knockout tournaments that means as many match-winners as possible; in fixed-length matches it means getting close enough to score points for as many matches as possible.

That part was actually brought in so that, if I got 16 one-pointers, and you got 8 dead-on results but 8 wrong winners, I would take precedence.

If you like, the 2-poinit tariff for exact results is a bit of a bonus.

Oh, and by the way... unlucky!

[crucible77]

No. The idea is to predict as many matches as possible. In knockout tournaments that means as many match-winners as possible; in fixed-length matches it means getting close enough to score points for as many matches as possible.

That part was actually brought in so that, if I got 16 one-pointers, and you got 8 dead-on results but 8 wrong winners, I would take precedence.

If you like, the 2-poinit tariff for exact results is a bit of a bonus.

Oh, and by the way... unlucky!

I still think its very unfair, isnt the idea to predict exact results. I mean how can it be fair like you said for someone to get eg 16 1 off's and 8 exacts and the 16 1 offs win I find it a bit silly :snooker:

[Anastasia]

congrats jw147 and crucible77 :snooker:

[crucible77]

No. The idea is to predict as many matches as possible. In knockout tournaments that means as many match-winners as possible; in fixed-length matches it means getting close enough to score points for as many matches as possible.

That part was actually brought in so that, if I got 16 one-pointers, and you got 8 dead-on results but 8 wrong winners, I would take precedence.

If you like, the 2-poinit tariff for exact results is a bit of a bonus.

Oh, and by the way... unlucky!

Another thing, this is rewarding getting 1 away but not getting exact, am i right?

Look at the predictions

C77 3 exact 0 1 away
JW147 2 exact 2 1 away

I still think that should mean i win

[The Statman]

For the benefit of others, please see below a reply by PM which I made to crucible77. Any thoughts on this would be gratefully received, but I would ask that they be done on a thread separate from this one.

Just to clarify: the consensus was that the Prediction Contest should be more about predicting the winner of the matches, than getting the correct scoring. The League matches of a fixed number of frames does cloud the issue somewhat, but the Rules as they stand are quite clear on the tie-break and I have no desire to change them midseason.

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The argument swings both ways, I think. It was discussed a couple of years ago when someone correctly predicted all eight winners in a last-16 round (very rare – in 3½ seasons I think it’s only happened 2 or 3 times), and they did not win the round.

The consensus was that, in a tie, the most correctly-predicted winners should take precedence.

As it is, for knockouts, you could correct all 8 and I could get 4 correct scores and one other winner, and I would beat you – that is still the case. However, now, the tie-break at least does give priority to the ‘most winners’ prediction, and I think that is right.

The League is slightly different, in that a predetermined number of frames is played. In this scenario, there’s 2 points for the dead-on result and 1 point for result one frame adrift in either direction – that is the closest equivalent to knockout events. Therefore, it seemed sensible to regard “most correct winners” as “most matches in which points were scored” to remain in keeping with the rest of the season, which is mostly knockout-based.

I’m sure on another day the consensus could have swung the other way, but, on balance, I feel that a logical conclusion was reached. In any case, the Rules clearly set that out as the principal tie-breaker.

Hope you don’t feel put out! Quite some thought has gone into it and it has evolved over time. I am still slightly uncomfortable with the initial scenario, in that the person who predicts the most winners does not necessarily win. However, in the absence of any simple solution while still giving a bonus for the correct result, I propose no change.

Please feel free to open a thread to discuss this as a suggested talking point. I would ask that you open a thread on the main “prediction contest” forum page and not in any of the sub-forums dealing with specific tournaments. If you choose to do this, I’m sure it will be fairly looked at.
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[The Boss]

Premier League isn't a ranking tournament

[The Statman]

Premier League isn't a ranking tournament

The point being?

[The Boss]

The point being?

I'm happy to finish bottom since it isn't a ranking tournament