Cazoo World Championship 2024

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Well maybe a good advert for a new venue as you've mentioned before around the platform the tables sit on at the Crucible. It's a stage right? No pocket width could've helped Higgins shot that's table level all day long. Every single one of those shots is top of table.... Coincidence?

I think the top corner pockets and the middles are deliberately more generous to aid break building, maybe even a bevel edge on the slate fall to help them drop, which is why the baulk pockets seem to give the players more problems. That pink by Brecel wasn't even on as a pot as it was slightly behind the black and he played a snooker and it went in.

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One thing to say about the video on the pockets playing generous, every single shot there, the pot was played slowly enough and mostly along the cushion. On most tables across the season, you'll see this happen, in fact the most recent event in China, I think the table was easier than this example.

It's rare that a table plays like some people seem to want like an old billiard table, which is often why people criticise the tables in professional tournaments. The Welsh open is often the one event where quite often tables play tough, why that is, well frankly it's anyone's guess. I do find the table talk a little boring though, as a fitter once told me, a snooker table in an imperfect surface, when you keep setting them up and dismantling them across different venues, with different cloths, it'll never play the same. Players just have to adapt to it, but it is the same for both. You just have to accept it's part of the game.

Murphy's red wasn't hit slowly, neither was Selby's plant and the table fitters do have pocket templates don't they ? if the pockets are aligned to fit with the templates than they should always be the same, world snooker do not allow their templates to be given to the public so maybe their top of the table and middle pocket templates are sized to create more tons while the baulk pocket templates are sized to create a bit of tension on the colours clearance, you don't see a green near the baulk cushion drop as easily as a red near the top cushion and modern super fine cloths don't have enough nap to have as much effect as they do down the avreage club. Ben Mertons refused one that would have given him the match against Si, maybe he knows something that we don't.

[fatfreddy]

I can't see anyone beyond O'sullivan (if he wants it enough) and Williams. If I had to bet on it I'd say Williams (assuming an O'Sullivan final). He just seems to know how to get in Ronnie's head.

[snookerfollower]

Anyone else a bit annoyed at how prominent the Riyadh Season branding is on the branding on the media day photo? You can barely see the logo of the actual sponsors - Cazoo! Seems like we might be looking at the Worlds moving to Saudi sooner than expected or some more Saudi related announcements during the world cup.

[Nifty50]

Got my bets on. I do forecast the finalists as you get descent odds. Mark Selby V Mark Williams is 35/1 with Hills.

[itsnoteasy]

Agree on pretty much all of that, especially re the pockets. I'm lucking enough to experience new cloths from time to time and that slide you get is amazing down the cushions!! You actually stop aiming at the far jaw and let them slide in off the cush!!

Don't last that long down the club but for these boys it's it's a pretty constant perk.

This is it, until you play on new cloths you don't realise what a huge and I mean huge difference they make.
Our table gets recovered every six months so the cloths never exactly ancient when it comes off but the difference between new and say three months old is just unbelievable.
Every single time a new cloth is put on I complain the pockets are playing like buckets and I check they haven't been altered, they accept balls for fun, wait a couple of months and anything not dead centre is spat back out, honestly it's unreal the difference.
One thing I will add is you cant(unless you reshape rubber etc) have the top of the table pockets bigger as well as the middles. You can have those pockets tighter but then the middles will be bigger as it's the side cushions that are moved a fraction to tighten them up. You then have to have the baulk pockets the same otherwise you will have offset middles, every little move of the cushions has a ripple effect along the table.
My opinion is they say the templates should be a snug fit, but it's human beings fitting them and my snug will be slightly different to how snug feels to you. It only has to be a mill here or there and you will have pockets playing big, so for me if they are big, and they have been sometimes, it's just human error, no great conspiracy.

[itsnoteasy]

I think the top corner pockets and the middles are deliberately more generous to aid break building, maybe even a bevel edge on the slate fall to help them drop, which is why the baulk pockets seem to give the players more problems. That pink by Brecel wasn't even on as a pot as it was slightly behind the black and he played a snooker and it went in.

Barry Pinches stated they introduced a bevelled edge, I can't remember the date he said, so I reckon that's true, it doesn't look like it on the TV but I see no reason why he would make it up.

[FredDavis'Leg]

Barry Pinches stated they introduced a bevelled edge, I can't remember the date he said, so I reckon that's true, it doesn't look like it on the TV but I see no reason why he would make it up.

Well, some evidence to back that statement up from Pinches would be good. For example, when did he say it, to whom, where was it recorded? If it is not documented somewhere then as the saying goes it didn't happen. Also, would it not be possible to simply run your hand / finger along the relevant part of a table with such an edge and simply feel it? If the edge is not detectable by feel, then how could it an effect the direction of travel of a ball? Don't misunderstand this, I am not saying you are wrong, just that some evidence is needed to back that statement up, otherwise it's barely hearsay. You are free of course, as is anyone else, to make their own mind up and choose to believe or not what was said.

I wonder if anyone else has seen this?

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/20...nnie-osullivan

Death sells as it says in Spinal Tap, and even though the Guardian try and make out they are a cut above they are still just peddling big headlines about a possible move.

[Cue crafty]

Well, some evidence to back that statement up from Pinches would be good. For example, when did he say it, to whom, where was it recorded? If it is not documented somewhere then as the saying goes it didn't happen. Also, would it not be possible to simply run your hand / finger along the relevant part of a table with such an edge and simply feel it? If the edge is not detectable by feel, then how could it an effect the direction of travel of a ball? Don't misunderstand this, I am not saying you are wrong, just that some evidence is needed to back that statement up, otherwise it's barely hearsay. You are free of course, as is anyone else, to make their own mind up and choose to believe or not what was said.

I wonder if anyone else has seen this?

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/20...nnie-osullivan

Death sells as it says in Spinal Tap, and even though the Guardian try and make out they are a cut above they are still just peddling big headlines about a possible move.

INE don't need to back anything up, been on here donkeys years, is in the know and if he's says something, it has meaning and truth behind it. Don't matter if he can't remember who said it or when. It's good for me, don't believe he was directing a view to members as a whole either but was sharing a memory with another long term member.

[PatBlock]

INE don't need to back anything up, been on here donkeys years, is in the know and if he's says something, it has meaning and truth behind it. Don't matter if he can't remember who said it or when. It's good for me, don't believe he was directing a view to members as a whole either but was sharing a memory with another long term member.

You're in danger of sounding a little evangelical there CC . Like you, I agree that Teasy certainly knows his stuff, but at the same time Fred's Leg made some very valid points and I agree that a bit of corroboration would help clarify what is essentially 2nd/3rd hand hearsay. And I've been on here 3 years longer so....

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[Cue crafty]

You're in danger of sounding a little evangelical there CC . Like you, I agree that Teasy certainly knows his stuff, but at the same time Fred's Leg made some very valid points and I agree that a bit of corroboration would help clarify what is essentially 2nd/3rd hand hearsay. And I've been on here 3 years longer so....

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Thanks Pat, you've helped me see the light!! It did say on my school report once that Im very loyal to friends and defend them lolz. Some old habits die hard.

Fred - you carry on with your line of enquiry and I'll leave INE to decide whether he can be bothered to remember or not.

[neuronic]

If the worlds get relocated to some oil kingdom, I'm out.

Stopped watching the PL when the oligarchs and sheikhs made it an investment to get even richer, stopped watching the CL and didn't watch a single minute of the World Cup in Qatar. Didn't watch a single minute of that Golden Riyadh abomination and the spreading sponsoring of the sports betting industry is giving me a hard time as well.
I'm just not lazy enough not to get entertained elsewhere, somewhere without all the corruption and the distusting greed. I deeply despise all of that human egomania, simply cannot stand it and refuse to endorse it if I can.

But that's just me... feel free to call me a bigoted virtue warrior because I'm looking forwards to the Snooker Worlds... yet

[vmax]

If the worlds get relocated to some oil kingdom, I'm out.

Stopped watching the PL when the oligarchs and sheikhs made it an investment to get even richer, stopped watching the CL and didn't watch a single minute of the World Cup in Qatar. Didn't watch a single minute of that Golden Riyadh abomination and the spreading sponsoring of the sports betting industry is giving me a hard time as well.
I'm just not lazy enough not to get entertained elsewhere, somewhere without all the corruption and the distusting greed. I deeply despise all of that human egomania, simply cannot stand it and refuse to endorse it if I can.

But that's just me... feel free to call me a bigoted virtue warrior because I'm looking forwards to the Snooker Worlds... yet

Enlighten yourself, go to my Elephant In The Room thread, new video upload.

[neuronic]

Enlighten yourself, go to my Elephant In The Room thread, new video upload.

Been there, had a look, came to find most of it quite appalingly oversimplifying or plainly wrong, so... no, real enlightenment there, quite the opposite, actually. I had a good laugh, though, and I'm not even sure if you're just trolling or not. But thanks for the suggestion

[PatBlock]

Jak Jones looking pretty good for his 5 - 2 lead. They had to be pulled early, but no surprise there.
Some cracking coughs in the audience there, one of them sounds like someone moving a wooden chair across a school assembly hall. Whoever you are, thanks for sharing. 👍

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