Championship league

[itsnoteasy]

What a surprise Ronnie has withdrawn after a few matches, I don't want to dwell on that but the ramifications of it.
The rules are that any matches Ronnie played are null and void, so all the players lose their points but Mark Selby made a 130 odd break against him and that stands, why is that? So a match that has been wiped from the records as if it never happened has a high break in it.
Also Rob Milkins beat Ronnie and Jack Jones lost to him but they are now both still on zero points, that's not fair either.
To top it off Milkins is playing now and doesn't know he's lost his points.

[cueman]

Really think world snooker need to grow a spine and finally ban O'Sullivan for these continuous incidents which frankly are ruining the game.

If anyone hasn't seen, he really threw his toys out of the pram today. Smashed his cue off the cushion after missing a pink from the black spot. In the same match against Milkins he missed another pot and subsequently flicked his cue again off the table. The shot after he just smashed the cueball into the pack of reds.
In the match against Jak Jones he played a poor positional shot and kicked his foot against the table. It was the worst sportsmanship I've seen from him in his career to date. The older he gets the worse his behaviour simply because he's never been brought to book and been continually allowed to get away with it.

Not even mentioning the recent pull outs of events right on the day of the match, disrespecting his opponent and the fans who are kept in the dark, unsure if he'll play. No other player gets away with this level of disrespect to the game and the governing body, so questions need to be asked why?

[Cue crafty]

Doesn't seem right to me, but I probably need to read the rules properly on this to have a better opinion. At the end of the day, imo results are results and things should stand as they are, I mean god forbid but what what happens if somebody dies or are taken ill??? That match didn't happen either then.....

I won't bother getting into what should be done regarding Ronnie's bad etiquette as their are higher powers who should be managing that, I will however agree that it's wrong.

[itsnoteasy]

cueman
I try and give Ronnie some slack, there is a very fine line between madness and genius and a lot of gifted, driven people straddle it at best.
Having said that, I don't mind him not playing in any tournament, that's up to him but the last minute decisions are a tough one. Tickets will definitely have been sold on the back of him appearing so thats not fair. Its also curious that hes never ill, mentally or physically when the high prize tournaments are held in China or Saudi but im sure that's just a coincidence.
His behaviour in the matches you mentioned above should definitely get a fine, while I understand his frustration at not being able to play the way he used to, you can't behave like that.
I wouldn't be surprised if he basically retired this year, or next, I can't see him being willing to fight to stay in the top sixteen if he starts dropping down and there's no way hes going to qualifiers.
Apparently that cue is in the bin, I reckon he damaged it when he whacked the table.

[Cue crafty]

Doesn't sound like Rons cue is in a great state either, ended up in a bin after walloping it against the rail on the table playing Milkins. I think this whole experience he's going through will either make him or break him... I still hope there's a final swan song that is befitting the man's talent.

[Nifty50]

Nice dish from Matt Selt to win 3-2. Should cheer him up a bit. Seems to be playing well.

[tomwalker147]

I used to slate Ronnie for pulling out of events but to be honest considering he's likely not struggling for a few quid and has the choice to pull out if he's mentally struggling, I can't hold that against him.
I'd love to take a week or two off work for the sake of my mental health at times but don't have that luxury, wish I did!

Hope he gets himself in a good enough place for the worlds, one last hurrah perhaps!

[vmax]

Doesn't sound like Rons cue is in a great state either, ended up in a bin after walloping it against the rail on the table playing Milkins. I think this whole experience he's going through will either make him or break him... I still hope there's a final swan song that is befitting the man's talent.

I think he should have had a new cue when his ferrule went rather than have it fixed up, he's been struggling with it ever since. I think he needs a longer cue to bring back his teenage form when that standard length meant the cue was longer in relation to his height at the time.
The fact that he had his action taken apart and rebuilt in the late 90's says to me that he could no longer play play like he did as his body had outgrown the cue action and stance he had when he was younger and shorter, he always says that he was at his best when he was a teenager and this could be the reason why. Check out his bridge length in his fastest max, much longer than later on, and this longer bridge length helps an awful lot in sighting and placing the cue on the line of aim.

He's making excuses when he says that he wasn't in control of that break, he was flying and he knows it but was brought back down to earth by Darren Morgan's ultra slow play in the next round which was deliberate. Everyone always knew how to beat him and the rules of the game unfortunately allow it

As for his mental health, he needs to understand that he could be a sigma male, not alpha or beta, and that means he really has no desire to dominate or be dominated but lives to his own standards which as we know for his snooker can be very, very high, but those highs come naturally and cannot be forced in order to satisfy something that isn't really inside you but is expected from others, like your father who's living his own dreams through you.
Ronnie doesn't puff out his chest when he wins and doesn't take kindly to people who do that when they've beaten him which is the difference between him and say, Ali Carter, and explains their rather fraught professional relationship.

As far as relationships with women go, women really don't like sigma males as they cannot emotionally control them and mistake cold hard logic as not caring, I know that from experience, and it can be agony having to put up with that.

[neuronic]

As for his mental health, he needs to understand that he could be a sigma male, not alpha or beta, and that means he really has no desire to dominate or be dominated but lives to his own standards which as we know for his snooker can be very, very high, but those highs come naturally and cannot be forced in order to satisfy something that isn't really inside you but is expected from others, like your father who's living his own dreams through you.
Ronnie doesn't puff out his chest when he wins and doesn't take kindly to people who do that when they've beaten him which is the difference between him and say, Ali Carter, and explains their rather fraught professional relationship.

As far as relationships with women go, women really don't like sigma males as they cannot emotionally control them and mistake cold hard logic as not caring, I know that from experience, and it can be agony having to put up with that.

You're kidding, right? Please tell me you're just kidding *lol

edit: consider before answering: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha_and_beta_male

[neuronic]

cueman
Its also curious that hes never ill, mentally or physically when the high prize tournaments are held in China or Saudi but im sure that's just a coincidence.

Sure... gotta be, right?

[cueman]

I notice O'Sullivan was in the Eurosport studio yesterday and was asked about him pulling out the Masters. He gave the usual he was gutted and said if he was asked Sunday he would've played but by that point he'd obviously given notice that he wouldn't.

I read two things into that. Firstly he's still sticking to the excuse that he doesn't know from one day to the next how he feels about his game, but then most players feel that way. It's no excuse though that when he's not feeling confident he can just pull out of events. He's acting as though he should be treated different to everyone else.

Secondly why carry on playing if you are so insecure in yourself? I mean the guy has won everything multiple times, has the opportunity to just do exhibition and coaching work, is being paid a fortune to travel to Saudi and China regularly to do this. So therefore he's never going to be able to mix that and play in tournaments. Something has gotta give. He said he was exhausted from 3 weeks of traveling and playing, but then he's said in the past it's all about pacing himself and not playing in everything. He can't have it both ways. Yet again he's a contradicting himself and basically sticking two fingers up to the governing body and fans who should be calling him out!
Even Murphy and most other players are defending him here, he's having a laugh and no doubt he'll continue to disrespect the game, fans and future opponents and tournaments.

[Cue crafty]

I notice O'Sullivan was in the Eurosport studio yesterday and was asked about him pulling out the Masters. He gave the usual he was gutted and said if he was asked Sunday he would've played but by that point he'd obviously given notice that he wouldn't.

I read two things into that. Firstly he's still sticking to the excuse that he doesn't know from one day to the next how he feels about his game, but then most players feel that way. It's no excuse though that when he's not feeling confident he can just pull out of events. He's acting as though he should be treated different to everyone else.

Secondly why carry on playing if you are so insecure in yourself? I mean the guy has won everything multiple times, has the opportunity to just do exhibition and coaching work, is being paid a fortune to travel to Saudi and China regularly to do this. So therefore he's never going to be able to mix that and play in tournaments. Something has gotta give. He said he was exhausted from 3 weeks of traveling and playing, but then he's said in the past it's all about pacing himself and not playing in everything. He can't have it both ways. Yet again he's a contradicting himself and basically sticking two fingers up to the governing body and fans who should be calling him out!
Even Murphy and most other players are defending him here, he's having a laugh and no doubt he'll continue to disrespect the game, fans and future opponents and tournaments.

Well not many players would feel confident playing with a new cue that they haven't been using regularly. Would you fancy turning up at Ally Pally to play John Higgins with an unfamiliar cue? I watched the interview on Eurosport too. I guess you can read into it what you want, but basically you're right on the point that he can't do it all, he openly states he was exhausted from all the travel commitments, lost the plot in the championship league and smashed his cue up.

All those who think they would be perfect sinless professionals at the very top of the professional game....cast the first stones.

https://www.eurosport.com/snooker/mr...54/video.shtml

[DeanH]

I notice O'Sullivan was in the Eurosport studio yesterday and was asked about him pulling out the Masters. He gave the usual he was gutted and said if he was asked Sunday he would've played but by that point he'd obviously given notice that he wouldn't.

I read two things into that. Firstly he's still sticking to the excuse that he doesn't know from one day to the next how he feels about his game, but then most players feel that way. It's no excuse though that when he's not feeling confident he can just pull out of events. He's acting as though he should be treated different to everyone else.

Secondly why carry on playing if you are so insecure in yourself? I mean the guy has won everything multiple times, has the opportunity to just do exhibition and coaching work, is being paid a fortune to travel to Saudi and China regularly to do this. So therefore he's never going to be able to mix that and play in tournaments. Something has gotta give. He said he was exhausted from 3 weeks of traveling and playing, but then he's said in the past it's all about pacing himself and not playing in everything. He can't have it both ways. Yet again he's a contradicting himself and basically sticking two fingers up to the governing body and fans who should be calling him out!
Even Murphy and most other players are defending him here, he's having a laugh and no doubt he'll continue to disrespect the game, fans and future opponents and tournaments.

Well not many players would feel confident playing with a new cue that they haven't been using regularly. Would you fancy turning up at Ally Pally to play John Higgins with an unfamiliar cue? I watched the interview on Eurosport too. I guess you can read into it what you want, but basically you're right on the point that he can't do it all, he openly states he was exhausted from all the travel commitments, lost the plot in the championship league and smashed his cue up.

All those who think they would be perfect sinless professionals at the very top of the professional game....cast the first stones.

https://www.eurosport.com/snooker/mr...54/video.shtml

so not a word about the big money he made over in Saudi and Macau, etc; whilst doing all that travelling that did not appear to affect his game while he was out there?

[cueman]

Well not many players would feel confident playing with a new cue that they haven't been using regularly. Would you fancy turning up at Ally Pally to play John Higgins with an unfamiliar cue? I watched the interview on Eurosport too. I guess you can read into it what you want, but basically you're right on the point that he can't do it all, he openly states he was exhausted from all the travel commitments, lost the plot in the championship league and smashed his cue up.

All those who think they would be perfect sinless professionals at the very top of the professional game....cast the first stones.

https://www.eurosport.com/snooker/mr...54/video.shtml

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I seem to remember Ronnie turning up at the Masters with a new cue and winning it. I know he has back up cues, he's even admitted that fairly recently, given he's had work done on his cue too, I'm certain he'll have something very similar to use. These days, all players have back ups due to risk of then getting lost or damaged when travelling.

[Cue crafty]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I seem to remember Ronnie turning up at the Masters with a new cue and winning it. I know he has back up cues, he's even admitted that fairly recently, given he's had work done on his cue too, I'm certain he'll have something very similar to use. These days, all players have back ups due to risk of then getting lost or damaged when travelling.

Yes, in 2009 aged 33, what a genius. 😉 I guess nearing 50 he's maybe not as brave as he once was.